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RON AND ROGER ON 11.26.99

Ron - Hey Roger, How’ve you been?

Roger - Fine

Small talk between the two re weather, busy etc.

Ron: I have a question I’d like you to address for me if you would please. There’s a lot of controversy about….there’s not very many people as old as me in the world, you know?, and nobody is out joining up with social security or what not. I haven’t even found people out getting a driver license. Why would it not be negative to go get social security or go get a driver license? Can you answer that specifically Roger?

Roger: Why would it not be?

Ron: Yeah

Roger: Well the thing is here that your binding them to the contract. For your benefit here. You’re the beneficiary not them.

Ron: When I go to Social Security am I required as the stawman to give them just any information they require to get that thing kicked off.

Roger: Oh sure, that’s all confidential information.

Ron: Okay

Roger: That’s your account

Ron: I don’t need to worry about what they ask for… just tell them is that correct?

Roger: Yeah, sure that’s fine. They have to do it for your benefit. If they do it for anything other then that they got a problem.

Ron; Oh okay now it’s starting to click again. There are just so many people that say well if you go out a receive a benefit you’re hooked back in the system again and you’re dead.

Roger: Well they believe something somebody else told them.

Ron: That’s true!

Roger: Now they’re a witness….Now they’re the employee.

Ron: Okay

Roger: Well we’re the employer here. I just tell them here well that’s your business. My business here is something else. See because they’re making their business public when they do that.

Ron: Okay

Roger: See it’s just like here , I give somebody a draft here to pay up my account and they say I took that draft to the bank and the bank wouldn’t take it. Well, I just say that’s too bad. That’s there business. That’s your business. That isn’t any of mine. You and I have concluded any of our business. See most people are going to have to prove here they’re eligible to take and use these to redeem funds.

Ron: They’re going to have to prove that they’re eligible? How’s that eligibility determined, Roger?

Roger: Just like we’re determining ours.

Ron: UCC-1

Roger: Well that or UCC is jut really the recording here to what is eligible to be recorded, but that’s not what is going to do it for you It’s the doing is what does it.

Ron: Okay then there is not need then, if I go get my application for SS to accept that for value?.

Roger: Well you just get it here and when you spend it here, that’s your acceptance.

Yeah… You ain’t going to have to worry about that.

Ron: Same with the driver license, no problem here… that’s my business?

Roger: That’s right!… and you’re binding them to the terms and conditions. They’ve got certain things they’ve got to live up to. You and I have the responsibility to make sure we don’t injure other parties here in our driving habits.

Ron: That’s for sure

Roger: We always have that. Whether we got that damn license or not.

Ron: I haven’t had a damn license since 1966 and I’ve not had any wrecks or anything. I’ve been a responsible driver.

Roger: Sure, sure…we’ve got that license for other reasons.

Ron: We’ve run into other people. We’ve had two other situations out here. One of them was a victory by the way and I’d like to share that with you. A fellow was stopped in one of these drunk driving checks out here in California… and the very first thing he did was hand them one of these Miranda warnings out the window. Is that stupid??

Roger: Oooohhh isn’t it!

Ron: Then the cop gets all excited, so eventually the cop convinces the guy into getting out of the car. And boy they slam him to the ground, handcuff him and take him to jail and tow his car away. However he went ahead. He had done his UCC-1 and they did file some papers for him and the prosecutor refused to prosecute for the police. Well the police didn’t like that so they went back and tried to file on him again and the prosecutor refused to prosecute again so that’s where its at now. The prosecutor said we aren’t touching this guy. So evidently obtaining control of the strawman is having a very dramatic effect.

Roger: Oh yeah.. See here he shouldn’t have …you don’t fool with the patrolman on what they’re doing because they’re so keyed up here. They have to be careful. Their lives are in danger when they’re stopping people. So they’re trained nowdays. The minute they loose control of the conversation to go 100 percent physical.

Ron: And that’s exactly what they’re doing.

Roger: You better be careful here that that physical doesn’t mean putting a bullet in your direction . See these guys have no business fooling with the patrolman out there. Sign the ticket and tell them we’ll see you in court. Just smile and tell them we’ll settle this matter orderly. Later.

Ron: Then we had a second case I want to explain this other situation that happened last Sunday night. I don’t know why these guys are doing these things. We had a fellow and his brother got stopped and refused to roll there windows down, and the cops wound up smashing out the window and dragging them out right through the glass, cutting his legs up from the glass then taking him to jail. They ended up having to take him to the hospital. They cut him so bad. So now these guys want to go back and fight this thing;

But he started right off with the cop asking for this civil service questionnaire. You know, - "What’s your name?" and started agitating him right away.

Roger: Yeah

Ron: What the hell are these guys doing? They trying to ruin this thing? These cops aren’t going to listen to that kind of stuff.

Roger: It’s even going to get tougher, because now you see now any time they stop anybody, their chances are real good somebody going to pull a gun on them or anything.

Ron: Yeah it’s getting really kind of tickie out there isn’t it.

Roger: Yeah so you see, they are taking the steps to protect themselves and you don’t have to settle it there. Just sign the ticket and take it to court if that be the case.

Ron: Right that’s really all that’s necessary. Have you had any further reports on your tractor?.

Roger: Well not really, I haven’t even had time to address it.

Ron: Okay well it’s still setting in limbo but your not forgetting the issue?

Roger: Oh no! No! Of course not. See we’re dealing in cycles. We’re dealing here to where they have all this stuff on paper thats hedged in the market someplace. At the end of the period is when these accounts are doing there bookkeeping. A lot of this stuff stays in suspense accounts of the accountants. They’re using people on the criminal side here to finance the change over of these corporations. I know a guy here, I just got a copy of the docket sheet the other day and there is 3 docket sheets for him. For 3 different cases all stems from one prosecution to where they’re holding him in prison in Texas. Well when we looked and got to the bottom of one of these for what some of these were all about there was an inhouse litigation man listed on there and the address that he gave were the Walmart Stores in Arkansas care of Walmart there in Arkansas. What they’re doing…that’s how Walmart is financing some of their organizations. The guy in prison is collateral on it. See that’s what they’re doing. When they throw these guys in the can that’s what they use to finance Public Works.

Ron: This is absolutely ridiculous. I don’t know how this got started. I guess it’s been around for about a million years. There is nothing new under the sun.

Roger: Yeah. Yeah Its all secret and they call it emergency now. See that’s who the President is talking to when he gives his State of the Union message. He’s talking to the owners of the Union or the Union men who own the state. The STATE OF …UNION. What state is that?

Ron: Well I always seem to think the union is the people who fly the union jack.

Roger: Yeah it is. But you see they are the Union of operating engineers. They are the ones that are contracting. They have a contractors license under the core of engineers in this country. Under the army core….of engineers. The state that they are dealing with here is the State of Emergency. Or state of the art-- or state of mind

Ron: One side note here. Have you heard of a document called an apostille?

Roger: Yeah, yeah. All that is is a censore of the mail. It’s in the background of the post office or in the background of the core of engineers.

Ron: Well we have a thing we’re doing out here, I’m not sure if your familiar with. Under the convention of Geneva and Vienna they had this Apostille put together for Public Ministers to travel through America without being molested by the government. It gives them immunity. They become a public minister. Therefore they’re immune from prosecution from any activities that take place under the United States of America British Corporation.

Roger: Those are the censores, or the censorship here administer here by the core of engineers. The army core. That’s the Post Office . The Post Office is the military post. And that’s the office. Those that are behind the office here that do the censorship. That’s who they are. That’s the apposticy. The apostiles.

Ron: Well having an apostille then is not negative to what we are doing?

Roger: Well no, you just have to understand what it is and how it works. These people that have license here under that particular contract. You see what these are, . these are the ones who have contractors license, licensed by these Municipalities, the core of engineers.

Ron: Yeah, I’ve been wondering about that core of engineers because they seem to be a pretty broadly powered institution.

Roger: Sure, they distribute and give license to distribute all the materials of the geographical area of which they have jurisdiction of.

Ron: Is there any jurisdiction that they don’t have?

Roger: Well it’s international now. It circles the globe. But you see these are the guys here that get first grab of the municipal funds. You see, you got to remember that the US Treasury instruments are industrial revenue bonds. Okay…But they don’t have any value until they have first been purchased by a mutual fund. Okay…Why do they call them mutual funds.

Ron: You tell me Roger

Roger: Because they have mutual affection for each other here. The parties of the contract. So a mutual fund here is funded by a municipality or municipal bond. All these bidding licenses you see are bidding for the municipal contracts.

Ron: Okay. Well than any way, you guys as far as your life style is absolutely normal life than aren’t you?

Roger: Yeah

Ron: You’re quite a guy Roger. You know you do have. I’ve began to realize that when we do this UCC 1 this is actually resurrecting us from that dead body that’s been hanging on to us that corporation that the government created under the birth certificate and SS and all that. This thing is getting too biblical for me friend.

More small talk then Good byes.

Freedom Domain
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	RON AND ROGER ON 11.26.99 Ron - Hey Roger, How’ve you been? Roger - Fine Small talk between the two re weather, busy etc. Ron: I have a question I’d like you to address for me if you would please. There’s a lot of controversy about….there’s not very many people as old as me in the world, you know?, and nobody is out joining up with social security or what not. I haven’t even found people out getting a driver license. Why would it not be negative to go get social security or go get a driver license? Can you answer that specifically Roger? Roger: Why would it not be? Ron: Yeah Roger: Well the thing is here that your binding them to the contract. For your benefit here. You’re the beneficiary not them. Ron: When I go to Social Security am I required as the stawman to give them just any information they require to get that thing kicked off. Roger: Oh sure, that’s all confidential information. Ron: Okay Roger: That’s your account Ron: I don’t need to worry about what they ask for… just tell them is that correct? Roger: Yeah, sure that’s fine. They have to do it for your benefit. If they do it for anything other then that they got a problem. Ron; Oh okay now it’s starting to click again. There are just so many people that say well if you go out a receive a benefit you’re hooked back in the system again and you’re dead. Roger: Well they believe something somebody else told them. Ron: That’s true! Roger: Now they’re a witness….Now they’re the employee. Ron: Okay Roger: Well we’re the employer here. I just tell them here well that’s your business. My business here is something else. See because they’re making their business public when they do that. Ron: Okay Roger: See it’s just like here , I give somebody a draft here to pay up my account and they say I took that draft to the bank and the bank wouldn’t take it. Well, I just say that’s too bad. That’s there business. That’s your business. That isn’t any of mine. You and I have concluded any of our business. See most people are going to have to prove here they’re eligible to take and use these to redeem funds. Ron: They’re going to have to prove that they’re eligible? How’s that eligibility determined, Roger? Roger: Just like we’re determining ours. Ron: UCC-1 Roger: Well that or UCC is jut really the recording here to what is eligible to be recorded, but that’s not what is going to do it for you It’s the doing is what does it. Ron: Okay then there is not need then, if I go get my application for SS to accept that for value?. Roger: Well you just get it here and when you spend it here, that’s your acceptance. Yeah… You ain’t going to have to worry about that. Ron: Same with the driver license, no problem here… that’s my business? Roger: That’s right!… and you’re binding them to the terms and conditions. They’ve got certain things they’ve got to live up to. You and I have the responsibility to make sure we don’t injure other parties here in our driving habits. Ron: That’s for sure Roger: We always have that. Whether we got that damn license or not. Ron: I haven’t had a damn license since 1966 and I’ve not had any wrecks or anything. I’ve been a responsible driver. Roger: Sure, sure…we’ve got that license for other reasons. Ron: We’ve run into other people. We’ve had two other situations out here. One of them was a victory by the way and I’d like to share that with you. A fellow was stopped in one of these drunk driving checks out here in California… and the very first thing he did was hand them one of these Miranda warnings out the window. Is that stupid?? Roger: Oooohhh isn’t it! Ron: Then the cop gets all excited, so eventually the cop convinces the guy into getting out of the car. And boy they slam him to the ground, handcuff him and take him to jail and tow his car away. However he went ahead. He had done his UCC-1 and they did file some papers for him and the prosecutor refused to prosecute for the police. Well the police didn’t like that so they went back and tried to file on him again and the prosecutor refused to prosecute again so that’s where its at now. The prosecutor said we aren’t touching this guy. So evidently obtaining control of the strawman is having a very dramatic effect. Roger: Oh yeah.. See here he shouldn’t have …you don’t fool with the patrolman on what they’re doing because they’re so keyed up here. They have to be careful. Their lives are in danger when they’re stopping people. So they’re trained nowdays. The minute they loose control of the conversation to go 100 percent physical. Ron: And that’s exactly what they’re doing. Roger: You better be careful here that that physical doesn’t mean putting a bullet in your direction . See these guys have no business fooling with the patrolman out there. Sign the ticket and tell them we’ll see you in court. Just smile and tell them we’ll settle this matter orderly. Later. Ron: Then we had a second case I want to explain this other situation that happened last Sunday night. I don’t know why these guys are doing these things. We had a fellow and his brother got stopped and refused to roll there windows down, and the cops wound up smashing out the window and dragging them out right through the glass, cutting his legs up from the glass then taking him to jail. They ended up having to take him to the hospital. They cut him so bad. So now these guys want to go back and fight this thing; But he started right off with the cop asking for this civil service questionnaire. You know, - "What’s your name?" and started agitating him right away. Roger: Yeah Ron: What the hell are these guys doing? They trying to ruin this thing? These cops aren’t going to listen to that kind of stuff. Roger: It’s even going to get tougher, because now you see now any time they stop anybody, their chances are real good somebody going to pull a gun on them or anything. Ron: Yeah it’s getting really kind of tickie out there isn’t it. Roger: Yeah so you see, they are taking the steps to protect themselves and you don’t have to settle it there. Just sign the ticket and take it to court if that be the case. Ron: Right that’s really all that’s necessary. Have you had any further reports on your tractor?. Roger: Well not really, I haven’t even had time to address it. Ron: Okay well it’s still setting in limbo but your not forgetting the issue? Roger: Oh no! No! Of course not. See we’re dealing in cycles. We’re dealing here to where they have all this stuff on paper thats hedged in the market someplace. At the end of the period is when these accounts are doing there bookkeeping. A lot of this stuff stays in suspense accounts of the accountants. They’re using people on the criminal side here to finance the change over of these corporations. I know a guy here, I just got a copy of the docket sheet the other day and there is 3 docket sheets for him. For 3 different cases all stems from one prosecution to where they’re holding him in prison in Texas. Well when we looked and got to the bottom of one of these for what some of these were all about there was an inhouse litigation man listed on there and the address that he gave were the Walmart Stores in Arkansas care of Walmart there in Arkansas. What they’re doing…that’s how Walmart is financing some of their organizations. The guy in prison is collateral on it. See that’s what they’re doing. When they throw these guys in the can that’s what they use to finance Public Works. Ron: This is absolutely ridiculous. I don’t know how this got started. I guess it’s been around for about a million years. There is nothing new under the sun. Roger: Yeah. Yeah Its all secret and they call it emergency now. See that’s who the President is talking to when he gives his State of the Union message. He’s talking to the owners of the Union or the Union men who own the state. The STATE OF …UNION. What state is that? Ron: Well I always seem to think the union is the people who fly the union jack. Roger: Yeah it is. But you see they are the Union of operating engineers. They are the ones that are contracting. They have a contractors license under the core of engineers in this country. Under the army core….of engineers. The state that they are dealing with here is the State of Emergency. Or state of the art-- or state of mind Ron: One side note here. Have you heard of a document called an apostille? Roger: Yeah, yeah. All that is is a censore of the mail. It’s in the background of the post office or in the background of the core of engineers. Ron: Well we have a thing we’re doing out here, I’m not sure if your familiar with. Under the convention of Geneva and Vienna they had this Apostille put together for Public Ministers to travel through America without being molested by the government. It gives them immunity. They become a public minister. Therefore they’re immune from prosecution from any activities that take place under the United States of America British Corporation. Roger: Those are the censores, or the censorship here administer here by the core of engineers. The army core. That’s the Post Office . The Post Office is the military post. And that’s the office. Those that are behind the office here that do the censorship. That’s who they are. That’s the apposticy. The apostiles. Ron: Well having an apostille then is not negative to what we are doing? Roger: Well no, you just have to understand what it is and how it works. These people that have license here under that particular contract. You see what these are, . these are the ones who have contractors license, licensed by these Municipalities, the core of engineers. Ron: Yeah, I’ve been wondering about that core of engineers because they seem to be a pretty broadly powered institution. Roger: Sure, they distribute and give license to distribute all the materials of the geographical area of which they have jurisdiction of. Ron: Is there any jurisdiction that they don’t have? Roger: Well it’s international now. It circles the globe. But you see these are the guys here that get first grab of the municipal funds. You see, you got to remember that the US Treasury instruments are industrial revenue bonds. Okay…But they don’t have any value until they have first been purchased by a mutual fund. Okay…Why do they call them mutual funds. Ron: You tell me Roger Roger: Because they have mutual affection for each other here. The parties of the contract. So a mutual fund here is funded by a municipality or municipal bond. All these bidding licenses you see are bidding for the municipal contracts. Ron: Okay. Well than any way, you guys as far as your life style is absolutely normal life than aren’t you? Roger: Yeah Ron: You’re quite a guy Roger. You know you do have. I’ve began to realize that when we do this UCC 1 this is actually resurrecting us from that dead body that’s been hanging on to us that corporation that the government created under the birth certificate and SS and all that. This thing is getting too biblical for me friend. More small talk then Good byes.