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Elexis : This is L from California, I need to impose on that Norwegian intelligence again.
Roger : Chuckle, oh, okay.
Elexis : Something’s missing. When you get summoned to court, are you supposed to go
or not go?
Roger : What do you mean? What’s the situation?
Elexis : Here’s the situation. This guy went to court this morning on a child support
hearing from the Swedish Government and he has accepted everything for value. He had
this letter of release from Sweden.
Roger : That released what?
Elexis : First of all his wife went to the government for funds so of course when they saw a child
that’s an American citizen they immediately wanted to attach, and they attached his bank
account. He did everything accepted for value and the judge put it aside. He went back
in there today because he had a paper from the Swedish government saying they dropped
all the charges on him. So he went in there and asked may I have your name please and
she gave him her name. He said, do you have a claim against me, and she said, yes I do,
and I am tired of your questions and you are going to do some time, then they took him
into custody.
Roger : Okay, when?
Elexis : This morning.
Roger : Okay well then, you probably are going watch 72 hours run out because he’s in custody
yea. He’s not under arrest; he’s in custody.
Elexis : Okay, there’s an attorney that keeps representing him even though he has
accepted that attorney for value.
Roger : Yea but, how did he accept it?
Elexis : He sent the paper back to the attorney accepted for value.
Roger : Okay that’s fine, now, what’s going to happen here is he’s going to wind up in court in an
arraignment, that’s when he….they may put somebody on the stand.
Elexis : They told this guy that was with him he’s already been sentenced a year or so
earlier.
Roger : We don’t care here what they tell him. You see that means nothing to me. These people
lie, they’re fictions here, and anything they say here doesn’t mean a damn thing. Because
remember here, the Scriptures tell us here, that the millstone has been cast into the sea,
never to be heard from again. No sound. It’s silent.
Elexis : But who’s silent? The Courts?
Roger : Cause that’s the mill levy, the millstone? Attachment? Okay it has no sound. The Voice
of God is what?
Elexis : The Millstone.
Roger : No. When you hear the Voice of God, what is that?
Elexis : That’s the answer.
Roger : Isn’t that the in-voice?
Elexis : Oh the invoice!
Roger : Of course. So you see all of this oral stuff doesn’t mean anything.
Elexis : You were mentioning the other day when they say they have a claim and that
through her off and you say you don’t care how they testify against themselves.
Roger : No, I don’t care. Just go on with the questions.
Elexis : And there’s some point in time when you have to prosecute this information,
something, or no?
Roger : No. No. You just sit down. Because as soon as you ask the questions you ask that the
order of the court be released to me immediately. That’s the end of it.
Elexis : But okay, if they don’t respond you just go about your business?
Roger : Yea, yea, you just sit back here because you see what’s probably going to happen is they
probably tried to bring up another issue.
Elexis : Yea, they tried to bring up the 98 issue.
Roger : They just keep repeating and they keep doing things here, you didn’t accept that here, so
now that’s our contract.
Elexis : But you see he accepted everything, he accepted everything.
Roger : Yea, yea, you see when your in, when he’s in that position, that’s a precarious position to
be in here, when you’re in the custody then, so you just rely on those three magic
questions.
Elexis : Okay, I think he understands that pretty good, because I said no matter what
because we did have another guy here and no matter what they do, they through him back
in 3 times and they kept pulling him out about every half hour to see if he’d change his
tune.
Roger : Oh yea, but you see here what you’ve got to do. Now he’s got to wait here until they get
into the formal proceedings because now they have to rely on the attorney’s contract with
him. So there are two things he has to keep in mind now. Because if they bring him into
an arraignment they’re going to put somebody on the witness stand, and they are going to
take that information as identifying him as the defendant which means that they are
identifying him as the straw man. So you see he doesn’t have to pay any attention here to
what they’re saying because they are going to be saying all the dastardly things that they
can for the express purpose of trying to draw him in. Because if he starts to address it
then he’s identifies himself as the defendant. See when they start against it they always
refer to him then as the defendant, he’s not the defendant, he’s the offender, and you see
they have admitted that.
Elexis : Okay now, if he had that hearing or that trial, because the attorney told his friend
that was there with him in court, oh no he was sentenced last year, so would they still be
coming to do that? The courts?
Roger : Who cares! That attorney….you can’t rely on anything that they say.
Elexis : I know, but would they still keep him and not give him another chance? Because
he’s under the impression they are going to keep him six months.
Roger : Well sure they are going to tell him that.
Elexis : Oh, but you think 72 hours.
Roger : They still have to bind the contract on him. They still have to bring him here to where
they have the evidence here; they haven’t done that yet. They have got to take the
evidence in under oath. Somebody’s going to get in the witness chair and identify him as
the defendant. So he has two people he has to be careful of now. One is the witness that
is going to go into that witness chair.
Elexis : Right which would be his attorney.
Roger : No. What do you mean?
Elexis : I thought you said to ask his own attorney to get him on the witness stand.
Roger : You’re getting ahead of me. I mean he’s there, but I’m not talking about him right now.
You can’t get these things mixed up now; you have to listen carefully, its very simple.
Somebody is going to get on that stand, so you see and they are going to start testifying to
things that point out that he is the defendant and that he is the one who is responsible for
the debts here that they are alleging. It doesn’t have to be money, it can be conduct and
so when those people are through, they’re conducting the cross-examination first. You
see assuming here that he is going to authorize the defendant to have testified. In other
words they are assuming that he is going to admit that cross-examination into evidence.
Elexis : So he should not even bring up that paper that the Swedish Government has
released….
Roger : No! The only thing that you in an oral proceeding is the three magic questions and a
request for the release of the order immediately. You don’t touch anything else. You
handle all that other stuff on paper. And they’re going to talk about all these other things
here when you are in that open court, but if you stick to them 3 questions and the request
the order be released and that’s it!
Elexis : If you get like a citation or a summons to go to court should you just accept that
for value and send that back to them and never go to court or should you follow that
paperwork?
Roger : Well that’s your own decision to do. But you see if you get into the oral proceedings
you’ve got to do here what we’re talking about here right now. So if you do go in there
you’re subjecting yourself to them using all kinds of personal trappings to spook you into
making some dumb responses. You see, because all they want is for you to recognize
your accuser in a show of fear.
Elexis : I have a girlfriend and she did that and she got a traffic ticket for making an
illegal turn, she did all the accepting for value and sent it in. So they sent her a letter that
they were suspending her driver’s license so she accepted that for value as well.
Roger : That’s right.
Elexis : Then she got a letter from DMV and one from the city attorney that said they
don’t understand anything she is talking about and if you have any questions please get
an attorney.
Roger : Well then what she needs to do is write to that attorney that I don’t understand what you
said in your letter here because your letter didn’t have your check with it.
Elexis : (Laughter)
Roger : That’s what you tell those jerks. You see here we’ve still got one more step to get
through. Okay, so you see, if he winds up here with a witness that’s on the stand to give
any information about him, that identifies him as the defendant. You see because they
won’t refer to him by name anymore, it’s just the defendant from then on. So he sets
there and when it’s his turn, you see the magistrate will turn to him at some time in the
proceeding and ask him if he wants to examine the witness, or better yet, in some of
these proceedings, they’ll just let it go by and your just going out of the courtroom, and
the whole things over, you don’t get no chance.
Elexis : Alright, that’s what I am thinking, that he’s not going to get a chance….
Roger : What he has got to do then, and he should do it when they are involved in something here
of there expectations, and just get up and interrupt at the most in opportune time, you see.
Then notice he is going to call a witness for direct exam. Then he names that attorney.
Elexis : I am getting this second hand, but when she said she was tired of his questions
and that he was going to do time, he said, I don’t want to be held in contempt what
should I say to reserve my rights.
Roger : He’s got to learn to keep his damn mouth shut on those kind of things!!! He’s recognized
his accuser and now they have the evidence of it.
Elexis : …and gave that attorney, judge power?
Roger : Yea. He identified himself as the defendant. And if he can’t keep his mouth shut he’s
got to undergo the pains until he learns.
Elexis : This is all about that standing mute, other than asking those three questions and
giving the order.
Roger : You see, everybody thinks they are going to walk free, but there’s always that 72 hours
that they can hold you here because they have to have you there and start moving the
account from one side to the other, from one fiduciary to another. They can’t do it when
you’re not there.
Elexis : Okay that’s why they are holding him.
Roger : That’s why they do that. They’ll come by and threaten him with time and everything else
until he does something dumb. And usually, they do.
Elexis : Where he said that, would that be the dumb?
Roger : Yea.
Elexis : So he might get stuck there the six months?
Roger : He might. But if they are going to take him, I don’t think here that that is enough that
they can rely on it unless they’re really desperate. But I think here that they are going to
try and cover their tracks here and he’ll wind up in another proceeding, and I think that’s
when he stands up and he announces that he is going to call a witness for a direct exam.
And then after that, name that attorney. Don’t use any titles. I know someone that did
that. He just stood up right in the middle, just disrupted everything, and caught everyone
totally off by surprise. He announced he was calling a witness for direct exam. The
judge jumped up and started in on him. He turned to the judge and said, what’s your
name. While he was asking the second question, do you have a claim against me, the
judge turned her back to the audience. That tells me right there that she did not want to
be an eyewitness in fact to what was going on in the courtroom.
Elexis : You mentioned public policy. Is that uniform commercial code or is that strictly
public policy?
Roger : Well the uniform commercial code here means uniform, military uniform. You either
got one on or you haven’t.
Elexis : So if you don’t have it on…I feel the courts here are very militant, under the
military.
Roger : Well yea, you know, you’ve got paramilitary doesn’t necessarily mean they are military,
they’re faking it.
Elexis : With their uniforms
Roger : What uniform?
Elexis : You know the police and sheriffs, and the ugly black dress the robes the judges
wear.
Roger : But see they have incorporated all of those now. Those sheriffs departments here, all he
is is a corporate officer.
Elexis : So that puts him in private right?
Roger : Well, it would here, as soon as you challenge the stock here of the corporation that he
represents.
Elexis : Oh the stock of the corporation, okay.
Roger : which could be the states attorney.
Elexis : There’s a lot of this on this bookkeeping, I guess I am going to have to start
understanding…
Roger : You just need to start adopting it all here as the corporation of the United States from the
position of the preferred stock and then the common stock, who the stock holders are.
That’s where your common law comes from here is from common stock. The Bible tells
you there is nothing common or unclean.
Elexis : …Other than when you get to the Court of Conscious.
Roger : Well, it still says there nothing common or unclean. Why? Because everything here that
these corrupt corporations have here they have it under their bookkeeping of a fiscal year
of 360 days. As soon as we accept here we are taking it into the calendar year and they
don’t have any means here of claiming it any longer in their bookkeeping. That’s where
the truth in lending comes in. They’ve got to tell the truth then as to who loaned them
the money in the first place. It came out of your principal account because you are now
identified as the principal. Why? Because they’ve identified you by accusing you as
being the offender. We accepted that claim, that means now we are the holder in due
course and we are binding them now here to the truth in lending, that that account here
and the value of it is mine. My property, hand it over! Release the me immediately!
Elexis : Okay, now, this is where my other question comes in. These don’t go to
Summers anymore, to the treasury, this would be, like when you have those bills of
exchange, you would give them to your bank to try to collect them?
Roger : They don’t collect them here, the collection has already occurred. They credited the
accounts here and the collection has already occurred, the words “credit” and
“collection” have no place in this right now. Because all you do is attach it and take it to
the bank and instruct the bank here to make presentment of those items to the person that
you’ve listed on there, you see, who’s responsible, that they will present them to those
persons for Acceptance or Dishonor and chargeback your account accordingly.
Elexis : Oh, wow! So okay, so that means you definitely have to have your own bank
account in your name.
Roger : Yes, when you go in, you have to have a savings account and a checking account. And
then what you need to do, when you open that account, get the instructions here and
everything that’s in that file you see, where it shows here that that bank has got to do
presentments and things like that because that’s part of the contract here that you’re
going to bind them too.
Elexis : You know what? We have been sending them to Lawrence Summers cause
that’s…
Roger : That ain’t going to do you no good, that’s got nothing to do with this.
Elexis : So basically we can just start the process over?
Roger : Well forget it, I’m not even going to get into that. That was to zero out the public claim,
the corrupt claim, to zero it out, the estimate.
Elexis : Yea, there has been a big misunderstanding then. Cause I thought that everything
balanced out with the treasury and the irs and the 1040ES.
Roger : Well we’re balancing each account independently of them, that’s just like that was just
another one now you move into this one here and this one has to be balance, but you
don’t have to involve Summers.
Elexis : So this done with your fiduciary bank account and you have a checking and a
savings.
Roger : Yea.
Elexis : Then those bills of exchange just go to them and say, collect this?
Roger : No. Stay away from the word collection, that’s a public proceeding, the collection has
already occurred. Presentment for Acceptance or Dishonor, Acceptance or Dishonor, it
has to be one or the other, see if they accept they’re going to give the bank a check, or
they are going to make some sort of a satisfaction to you, and if they don’t do that then
they dishonor the request, then the bank here has them as the debtor here, then the banker
here that makes the presentment is the witness here to the fact that they have dishonored
the claim, that means that they are no longer entitled to an exemption. So now the bank
can hold them as the debtor on the account. And charge your account then, the bank now
has a legitmate debtor.
Elexis : Okay, so now, just to run this past as an example, a traffic ticket. I accept it for
value and I take it to the bank, or I send it to the police officer?
Roger : Well there’s a lot of ways you could handle that. How do you want to handle it?
Elexis : If I’ve got a traffic citation and I accept that for value I would think to send that to
the police officer under his private name.
Roger : Well yea, what you need to do here, if you do that, get somebody to serve it on him and
hand it to him personally.
Elexis : Okay as a witness…
Roger : No, it isn’t that, you don’t have to worry about that kind of evidence, you are binding his
conscience here, you don’t care if there is nobody that’s going to come forward here to
tell anyting here into the courts here that you perceive here are going to take evidence
here. Its already evidence in the conscience, okay, you don’t have to worry about that,
those public proceedings are all bs there.
Elexis : There just a show, façade.
Roger : So you see, you know, I know of a guy, who walked into a courthouse, and they were all
hepped up and ready to go to trial, and they had the patrolman there, and he walked over
to the patrolman and he thrust this envelope here with the original ticket in it into the
patrolman’s hands, and he walked away and left the courthouse.
Elexis : Oh so he just gave it back to him.
Roger : Now you see the patrolman here has the problem of justifying here as to what that
instrument is and where its at, it was given back to him here so you see that’s the
commercial instrument that they rely on here for the claim.
Elexis : So when you have to sign that ticket, you could just right Accepted for Value and
put your name.
Roger : Oh yea, and then you give it to the clerk or whoever’s in the court and I suppose you
could leave because they don’t have a contract here to move after you, they are probably
going to immediately assume other things here, but they still here, maybe they’ll even
arrest you…
Elexis : I see, I have a warrant against me for failing to appear. I have a warrant on me
for failure to appear.
Roger : Well that’s their court, if they haven’t grabbed you they haven’t anything to do it with
here yet.
Elexis : That’s right, they’ll probably wait until I make a mistake and then they’ll get me.
Roger : Yea, but you see the, what you ought to do here is write to them here based upon that
particular account, you’ve got the number of that ticket, request here that they provide
you, or the business organization of the court provide you here with a 1099OID.
Elexis : Okay, and claim it from that?
Roger : Yea.
Elexis : Now I am starting to connect the dots, I want to learn this with the pureness of
your philosophy in doing it. I think some of the other stuff has had other procedures
injected into it, like that Habeas.
Roger : No, No. that’s all statutory.
Elexis : I’ve just had confirmation from someone in another state, they are going to try
having a trust representing them.
Roger : Well, see a lot of times here they pose questions, and the reason here that I am unable to
be effective in it is because of their unbelief, in other words here, the questions is posed
here they want me to prove something to them. That simply means prove it here because
they are unbelieving. But you see you can’t bridge any logic, you can’t tie any logic here
when the question is rooted in unbelief. You see, if it’s a skeptic, he ain’t never going to
get the answer, it will never work because he can’t tie the logic together.
Elexis : Right, okay. I think I do understand your philosophy. In one of your
conversations when the people would try to argue with you you would just tell them, this
conversation is over and just stop the conversation.
Roger : Yea.
Elexis : Okay good, you did help out immensly, because I was missing some pieces.
Roger : The situation he’s in, let’s finish that off here, the situation he’s in, when they take him
into the courtroom, and I told you what happened with the other guy, and the judge came
flying at him before he got to utter the name of the defendants he wanted to call, or the
witness that he wanted to call for a direct exam.
Elexis : Direct exam, right, okay.
Roger : Remember that, I remember one time here, I wrestled them to the ground here, in a trial
here that I was in here all day long. They had a witness on the stand all day long.
Finally, when the prosecutor was resting his case, the judge asked me, Mr. R, would you
like to cross-examine the witness. I said no I don’t, I said here, he’s my witness, so I
said, I am entitled to the direct, I am not going to cross examine him, I’m going to
conduct a direct exam. And then he backed up and he rephrased his question, Mr. R,
would you like to examine the witness and I said, oh yes, by all means. I turned to the
witness and said, would you give your name please…
Elexis : And you said that to the prosecuting attorney?
Roger : Yea, no, I told that to the judge. He was the one that asked me.
Elexis : When you were saying, I have the right to the cross direct, were you saying…
Roger : I’m saying I have the right here to the direct exam.
Elexis : You have the right to the direct exam, not the cross exam.
Roger : The judge tried to trap me and says, Mr. R. do you want to cross examine the witness.
Elexis : Okay, but the same person is who you ask the questions of, that you did a direct
exam versus a cross exam.
Roger : But they had a witness here all day long that was testifying to the event here, that I helped
him here, he was the sheriff here that was put out of office, he was testifying here to as
to things here that he and I had agreed together for him to address the governor to claim
action against him. He was on the stand all day. So at the end of the day, why the judge
asked me if I want to cross examine the witness, I said nope, I said here, he is my
witness, I am entitled to the direct, I will conduct the direct exam, Mr. R, do you want to
examine the witness, I said yes I do and I did. I asked the three magic question, request
here the release, the judge went out and he came back and in five minutes I had a verdict
of aquittal, because they were charging me with practicing law here without a license.
That was in a state action. Okay, but it was a state action here, but there was a U.S.
Marshall here that drove 125 miles to view the proceeding here of the court, he left here
once he knew I prevailed, he didn’t want to stick around so that I would catch up with
him. He didn’t want to stick around or I would have had some conversation with him
wondering why he was there.
Elexis : He didn’t want to be confronted by you. Let me ask you something, I’m kinda
familiar with the idea it is your court from some common law studies I did and you don’t
recognize them, isn’t that the same as not recognizing jurisdiction?
Roger : Well, yea, your playing here with fire when you start fooling here with common law,
common law is dangerous its based upon execution of law. Those are statutes, that’s
what common law is here you can read, I think, the Clearfield Doctrine here and
Thompson [or Tompkins] versus Erie Railroad, that’s where they address those things.
Elexis : Oh, okay, because a lot of people go under the assumption that this is I guess
Harford VanDyke that did the commercial liens? And this is nothing like that because
they also state things like title 18, and the titles all the time, and that’s totally different as
well.
Roger : Yea, you see, yea, the whole thing its simple. You see the New Testament says here
we’re under Grace, there is no law. Okay. That’s what public policy is. It says here that
we call for public policy here, that’s the supersedeas bond, it supercedes all the statutes.
The law passes away then.
Elexis : Oh I like that, that’s really clear.
Roger : Yea, so when you can keep that clear in your mind you see…
Elexis : There is no law.
Roger : Yea.
Elexis : Perfect.
Roger : When you accept here, that’s what you’re doing. You’re taking now here their claims
here of the statutory requirements of their court, they have nothing and they can’t move
on you, and then if they do, they are assuming something else again in here so there’s
going to be another confrontation. You see you have to learn here how to grapple here
with the presumption here both physically and on paper and mentally.
Elexis : Its that mental stuff, when you know you know the answers and can win the
argument that makes it hard.
Roger : Yea see…
Elexis : The temptation versus keeping your mouth shut.
Roger : You’re thinking here that the tempter, the temptation, you see, you are on the pinnacle of
the church, yea, and you’ve got your tempter here saying, I’ll give you the whole world
here if you just fall down and worship me.
Elexis : That’s true because if you go ahead and submit to them, they always give you a
break.
Roger : Yea, but they lie!
Elexis : They do lie, uh huh. Yea they go, I was going to sentence you to a hundred years,
but now I am going to give you 5, when it should have been nothing, or a month. Very
interesting, this is getting a lot clearer, I was thinking where are you picking up this
concept, if it’s the Bible, some think it’s the Bible, others think it’s the Uniform
Commercial Code, and then there are other people that think its public policy. You just
clarified it, its none of it.
Roger : You read the Bible as a chemistry book, because you see, those here who’ve had any
chemistry at all here, you’ve had your mathematics you’ve had to apply to your chemistry
problems, that’s how you have to operate the problem, and you see, you don’t really
gather a lot of that unless I were to tell you that what you were doing is pathology, its
forensic accounting. Because you are going internal, you are going interstate.
Elexis : …Into yourself?
Roger : Yea.
Elexis : Okay.
Roger : Into the body, into the atomic structure.
Elexis : Okay, for the energy, okay, got it.
Roger : …And then you see you’re the examiner now, like when the judge turned to me and
asked, do you want to examine the witness, you see now when you examin the witness
here, you become the medical examiner now, you’re doing a forensic exam and to
examine the body for cause of injury or cause of death, so you’re examining the straw
man.
Elexis : Okay, okay.
Roger : But you see, you are examining the mirror image. Because its offer and acceptance here
and acceptance is the mirror of the offer.
Elexis : Okay, good.
Roger : That’s the…
Elexis : That’s why you own and control both sides of the ledger?
Roger : Yea. So when you come to the arraignment and the magistrate says do you want to
examine the witness here, you say, yes, I’ll examine the witness. They have a witness
that is sworn in somewhere or even if they ain’t sworn in, if they’re there by virtue of
they’re being there, they’re under the penalties of perjury, everyone that’s there.
Elexis : Right, okay
Roger : All you have to do is start to ask the quesitons.
Elexis : You said you don’t care what they say because that’s their own direct testimony.
Roger : Yea, because the magistrate has said here, do you want to examine the witness. You
have now been appointed by the court here as the bank examiner, and the medical
examiner, you are examining the body.
Elexis : Okay, so when they say they have a claim, even though you say you don’t care
what they say…
Roger : Right!
Elexis : …Wouldn’t you want to see it then?
Roger : Move on to the next question, you don’t care, that person is testifying against themselves
you can just start snickering up your sleeve.
Elexis : Because they have the claim against themselves.
Roger : Right and you’re the holder of the account as long as you’ve accepted everything, you
didn’t know that. But you see, you’re gonna commit your ownership of that here,
because you can’t be the holder in due course, you have to have a fiduciary for that.
That’s why you bring your bank on. You have your bank being a fiduciary now talk to
the other fiduciary. And now you see the funds can transfer from one side of the ledger
to the other with your authority.
Elexis : So you can’t be the holder in due course without the fiduciary?
Roger : Right, the fiduciary is the one, you’re the owner, the fiduciary here has a legal obligation
to you.
Elexis : Okay boy that’s clearing up a whole bunch of dots.
Roger : Yea, and see, that’s why its so hard here to instruct people on these simple things because
they jump to all of the previous understandings, you have to start to instruct them to the
point here you know where if they don’t fully understand what they are doing here then
you just tell them hey, you ask the question and don’t care about the answers. Because
the answer to that is the Miranda warning. Anything they say can and will be used
against them.
Elexis : Okay yea. Anything where you have advised something else and then we listen to
it over and over again to get the concept.
Roger : Let me just give you another example, you used the word advise, we don’t advise
anybody. The advise here comes from the vice president. You see advice. Its vice.
You’re adding vice to the account? No way! That’s what an attorney does. He adds
some more vice here to the bribe.
Elexis : Okay, so this is a whole new think?
Roger : Yea.
Elexis : A lot of understanding and studying, as simple as it is. Its almost like you have to
have a labotomy and restructure youself.
Roger : Yea, well you know why this happens this way?
Elexis : Why?
Roger : Because you’re handing over the jurisdication of your affairs to your subconcious. Why?
Elexis : Why?
Roger : Because your subconscious is a sanitary environment in your skull. Anything that’s
foreign that gets in here causes a corruption and infection, and disease. So you see, but if
you subconscious mind cannot deal with these corrupt individuals directly, it can only
deal indirectly. So you see, the ultimate contract of humanity here is the conscious mind
and the subconscious mind in agreement.
Elexis : Right
Roger : That’s why you have to be in good faith. Because if you have to rely back here on what
you and your subconscious mind have agreed on you see that’s where they’ll work the
assumption here to cause the breach in your own person. And if that’s the case here, then
you see, you have contracted a case of AIDS.
Elexis : Oh, because I always tell people if I have to sell this to you this is not for you.
Roger : You see, because uh…
Elexis : So AIDS basically as tearing down all of your immunities?
Roger : Yes, why? Because you’ve accepted the AIDS here in artificial aid, rather than from the
living God you took one from the dead one. AIDS If you read the magna charta you’ll
see here they use the word aid here quite a lot, usually its in reference to the city of
london, that’s municipal.
Elexis : Gosh you are so enlightening.
Roger : I had an interesting thing happen here today, about a year ago, I gave a solicitor who was
soliciting for a business, for like a wall street news letter. He had a computer and a pager
that would come with the news letter, and it was five thousand dollars for a year.
Elexis : Wow, that’s expensive.
Roger : So I gave him a draft for it and I get a news letter and a pager. Some guy writes to me
and tells me there was something wrong here with the pager and that they had to
reprogram it so he wanted me to send it back and I sent it back to him, then later on I got
a fresh one in the mail again. Well then its gone now almost a year, but I didn’t get the
computer. Well now I got a call today, and the lady on the other end of this thing here
asked if I got my computer and all my stuff here and how I liked the news letter. I told
her I was throughly pleased with it, but I didn’t get my computer yet. Oh you didn’t?
Before we got off of the phone here she said that computer would be shipped tomorrow.
Elexis : And that’s from one of your site drafts.
Roger : Right.
Elexis : Oh
Roger : You see, what people don’t realize, I think now, some of the things I have done here have
started to reach the interstate computers… (tape change) See there are numbers in there
that tell them to lay off.
Elexis : That’s right, my Dad was a director in a bank and he told me that the numbers on
any of his checks should be cashed immediately. They are coded that way so other banks
know to handle them special.
Roger : Yeah I have some trucker friends that even if they are pulled over for their transgression
they are treated very courteously if it isn’t something here that is just grossly bad.
Elexis : Yea, threatening to society
Roger : Right and I think that is what is happening here. Because I have another broker here that
is processing a much larger one. See I put my application and financial statement in with
a commodity broker to get my account accepted by a national brokerage house, a big
one. Like ADM - Archer, Daniels, Midland. And they’ve accepted that now you see and
I just have to call the discount broker that took the draft that I had. When he took my
draft, you see that draft is just an order. An order to go into the commodity market an
buy a zero coupon bond, for my account.
Elexis : Okay
Roger : So they did it for the amount of money I told them to. So then they issued a check, a
government check, or they received a government check.
Elexis : So the sight draft is just something you make up, you just give them an order like
on a piece of paper.
Roger : Yeah it is just an order, like if you went to Sears Roebuck and Sears Roebuck had some
monoply money and you just put it on the order and order it. It’s a money order.
Elexis : Ohhh-Okay
Roger : We’re just going to the catalog of the United States Treasury, or the United States
Corporation. Say here, here I want a treasury bill. See that’s how they work.
Elexis : Very good! You’re the Preferred Stock, take it out of my account.
Roger : Yea but see you have to have a witness to tell the world that that’s yours. You’ve got an
account …you have an order for that much money, but you see now you have to obtain a
witness. If you’re the one entitled to have it.
Elexis : Okay
Roger : Now what you have to do is you’ve got to admit here you’ve got a rejection notice. They
didn’t give you the money when you asked for it right away so they give you a rejection
notice. However they give it to you. They might not even say it is rejected.
Elexis : They might just ignore it?
Roger : Yeah, but that’s still a rejection
Elexis : Right, Okay
Roger : Christ was rejected wasn’t he?
Elexis : Right
Roger : Well that’s what’s happening. So they rejected it and so I accepted the rejection and I
don’t even make a fuss over it. I just move it on and tell them I want the account
processed. Well what they did they want to give me a statement telling me they couldn’t
continue on like I was doing, see because these were discount brokers. So he said here
what I should do is turn it over to full service broker and they would be happy to assist
me with doing that.
Elexis : Wonderful
Roger : See the statement showed here that they received a government check for that amount of
money and a check had been returned to the account and they had debited my account
after it had been credited. When they did that they withdrew funds from my account. So
now they have that money in there so now when I go to this full service broker you see
and they both agree on both sides, now one of them is going to hold that amount as a
credit and the other one hold it as a debit. Now they’re going to open that account to me
and make that money available for commodity trading.
Elexis : Oh very clever. I did that for awhile and that commodity trading will eat you
alive.
Roger : Yeah but you see you got to be sure you don’t allow your emotions to run that thing.
You see this is what people that are even successful in stocks…if they use fundamentals
they loose everything they got.
Elexis : More talk on commodities and options etc. More talk on my bad credit and using
a Trust to trade was not the thing to do.
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Re: Credit card problems
Roger : See on some of these credit card offers.. Just apply for the card
Elexis : Okay
Roger : Then just write a letter along with the application and ask them if they handle money
market accounts here. Because you’re interested in establishing a money market account
to serve as the guarantee for your credit.
Elexis : Oh, okay
Roger : See then they might give you some information and then you see you can issue a draft
here. All that is is like an order to a broker to go into the market and buy the account,
and see they’ll jump at because they want all the authority they can get here to hold all
these treasury bills.
Elexis : Interesting, because once before when I did that, I did the credit for credit, that
was going on at the time. I would get these calls asking me why was I doing this? Others
would say you got value etc.
Roger : The thing is when these people call you, you tell them “Well I’m giving you a market
order”.
Elexis : I told them that is paying the bill.
Roger : No just tell them it’s a market order, don’t tell them you’re paying any bill here.
The thing is here these people are starting to make claims and they’re on the edge of it.
They are trying to steal your exemption. See I don’t get into that. I just tell them “Did
you get my order?” See they don’t even want to talk about it because they’re taking the
order and they are using it and then they come back to you and say “Well that didn’t
work as a credit to your account”. Of course it didn’t…we are not talking about credit!
We’re talking about charges.
Elexis : Oh okay, okay
Roger : Credits got nothing to do with it now.
Elexis : So charge means you wanted to activate it. You want it to get charged?
Roger : They won’t allow themselves to get dragged into those kind of things, but you see you
need to know this in your own mind.
Elexis : Yes, yes I do
Roger : We couldn’t charge this to your account or your check bounced. They’re talking about
your check. That draft you gave them is not a check. We’re talking about a check
alright, but we’re talking about the check they issued out of their account and it bounced
because they are the fiduciary of your account so it was your check it bounced because
they are assuming that they are paying to another fiduciary and they can’t pay that
directly because of the Glas-Steagal Act. That’s the barrier between the debtor and the
creditor.
Elexis : Okay now if they say they are the fiduciary of your account are they going to
require you to use their bank checks by issuing you a number from their bank? Or is this
beyond that?
Roger : Sure, but they’re issuing the check --your check . See they’re operators of your account.
That’s why they call it your check. They wrote the check and it bounced.
Elexis : Okay Oh so you tell them to write the check off you account??
Roger : Well they’re operating your account, the credit card company is. They wrote a check off
your account probably to pay off the treasury bill. See, and they say the check bounced
Interruption then Small talk
Roger : See the best the public can do is purpose more debt for the solution. They create more
debt to pay off the old debt. So see you can’t bind any title with that. You see the public
money has gotten now that its fraud all the time because they can’t convey title.
Elexis : Right
Roger : You see anytime someone uses public money there is a presumption here that there is a
lien on the property. Why? Because see when they don’t admit to who the principle is
an see that’s who we’re asking for here when we ask for that 1099 OID. If they don’t
give it to us they are assuming someone has a lien on the property and if they do that that
is fraud.
Elexis : Okay
Roger : That’s fraud here in their advertising because they can’t convey title in fact. Why?
Because there is a presumption here of a third party lien here that they haven’t disclosed.
By Who? By the so called principle whose tax exemption they rely on so they don’t have
to pay the taxes.
Elexis : Okay
Roger : Tax you see is a return and you know how I know they haven’t paid their tax returns?
Elexis : No, How?
Roger : Because they haven’t paid me. It’s my principle account they took the money from in the
first place to finance their operations and they haven’t made a return to me, the principle
account. That’s why I’m in there asking them for a 1099 OID.
Elexis : You know we have a lady out here who doesn’t want her property on the tax rolls
and she’s manuvered it so it is not recorded and has letter asking about laws that require
property to be recorded. They told her there is no specific law except they won’t be able
to protect her property. She said I hold the Grant Deed, how are you going to protect me?
He said you might loose it. She said why would I loose a Grant Deed.
Roger : Yeah she’ll loose it because they’ll abate the taxes because there is no contract on it.
When there is not contract on it she’s open season for any speculator that wants to pay up
those taxes and take public title to the property and then set out to evict her.
Elexis : Well see on another property she lost in ’92 from eminent domain so they could
develop it. She just did this on her property regarding the taxes. On the eminent domain
property they don’t want to pay her unless she petitions the court for her money left over
after they chisle the value way down.
Roger : She can accept the eminent domain for value and it is hers.
Elexis : Good, I was going to ask you about that
Roger : She needs to move on them now and divest those people who are claiming title. When
she accepts that for value you see she can give that notice through the court here. She
can give them notice and notice the court that those people are on notice that she is
accepting their petition for value.
Elexis : Yeah I’m starting to get a good feel for this
Roger : Right because we are the preferred stock holders of the United States. We’re the ones
that are the owners of the imenant domain. We are because we are the preferred stock
holders of the United States corporation. Whoever went after that properpty was
incorporated in some manner under some authority of the United States.
Elexis : That’s right, the scoundral is the Mayor of Palm Springs
Roger : Okay, then we say “Good, you’re my employee buddy”, and you did this for me and now
you’ve got to go to confession to the bishop - bi-shop. That is two shops…the debit shop
and the debt shop, that is two, and the Pope is the bishop.
Elexis : Have you ever noticed his fish head hat?
Roger : Right he is under cover
Elexis : Oh I thought and heard it means under the astrology sign of Pisces
Roger : Sure but it is coming from the authority of the sea..
Elexis : Oh Okay…
Roger : Like Joana and the whale of a debt. See Paul was swallowed up by a whale of a debt
Elexis : I’m going to have to start reading that bible. I like old history but that bible has
so much blood and depression in it.
Roger : Read the book of Acts then. That tells that Paul represents operation of law and Peter the
execution of law. Peter represents one side of the account and Paul represents the other.
Other conversation
Roger : Seized property, they have to turn the property back the property is paid for. I don’t care
what ..even forfeitures, they have to cough up the property once the settlement for the
money has been made.
Elexis : Okay, well this lady ownes her property free and clear. She doesn’t have any debt
on it.
Roger : Well is the property registered and are the taxes paid up?
Elexis : Oh yeah it was and they took it anyway.
Roger : Well then you see she can start to proceed on them and give notice to the court that she is
requesting the tax, the internal revenue tax form 1099 OID.
Elexis : 1099 OID. Now where do you get that? Just off the internet or from IRS or from
them?
Roger : No you request it from them, but you’ve got to request that they close the account.
Elexis : Oh then can we use your Roger letter on the bookkeeping to tell them how to do
that?
Roger : Now you see when you’re dealing with them they open the account and take your tax
exemption . They buy a T-bill to cover the bonding requirements of operating your
account for however much is required. If it’s a million dollars they take out a million
dollar bond
Elexis : Then they’ll have to give all that back to her?
Roger : Yeah, so you see then when she requests the 1099 OID they’ll have to confess to the
world that they got the million dollars out of her account to start with. When they issue
the 1099 OID that’s Original Issue Discount.
Elexis : Right I got that from you the other day
Roger : See the Discount here is what they paid to the real estate broker. The rest of it is
zeroed out on both sides of the account. Now once they do that, lets say that it was a
million dollars, then there has to be a million dollars on one side of the account and a
million dollars on the other side of the account minus the discount paid to the real estate
broker. You also tell them you want a check for a million bucks because now you’re
going for the treble amount. Because you see the credit and debit are balanced, you get
that from the replevin bond. Now you go into the third dimension that’s the treble
damage means that I still don’t have my properties so I’m going to take this money so I
can exchange it for that property.
Elexis : Okay, wonderful. This will make her very happy.
Roger : See that’s how you figure that out.
Elexis : Well that put together those loose ends. I’ve been pondering what to do with her
case. What should I do to try to help her.
Roger : Well you should put everything through the court. Put that notice to whoever is listed on
that account through the court and that she is requesting that information from whoever
the principal party was that brought action against her.
Elexis : Which was the city…
Roger : Serve papers on that person requesting that information from the business organization
covered by that court. She is going to inform them that she is going to accept the
emanent domain for value. Now it is her property..
Elexis : Oh wonderful, she is going to love this.
Roger : She is now the owner and she can announce here that she is the owner of the emanent
domain and now she wants the 1099 OID to confess the identity of the principals they
rely on.
Elexis : Okay. The person who is doing this is the Mayor.
Other small talk then we hung up. Click