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.......Roger : Who is this?
Elexis : This is Elexis from California with a cold.
Roger : Oh…, Okay.
Elexis : Do you have a minute so I can run something by you for your opinion?
Roger : OK, go ahead.
Elexis : I have some friends that are loosing their cars. That the police are just taking without
a ticket, or arrest or anything. They just give them a paper where the car is being
towed. Apparently in a few days or weeks or sometime they may mail them a ticket
regarding no license. What these people are using is a Husbandry Plate which has
to do with rights of the land. They are doing this because the license fees are so high
and because insurance is required and that is also expensive it is pricing people out
of freedom. It is in the motor vehicle code. It tells them how to do it. I’m just
wondering now, you mentioned something in your transcripts I have about a replevin.
Do you think something like that would work?
Roger : Did they give them any sort of an order?
Elexis : No I understand the only thing they gave him was a receipt of where the vehicle was
being towed.
Roger : Okay, well take that receipt and accept it for value. And it’s in what now? An
impound lot?
Elexis : Yes
Roger : You just accept that for value and turn it in to the impound lot and tell them you want the
impounded vehicle returned immediately.
Elexis : Right. And when they don’t?…
Roger : Well,…I had a car picked up on the street once in California. I went down there and
asked them to return the car. They didn’t take me serious so I told them they would be
sued by the end of the day. I went down to the court house and got a form to file a suit
and served it on him. He told me I could take the car and I told him “No you put it back
on the property where you got it.” By the next day it was back in my yard. However, I
don’t think that would work today. That was several years back…I’m thinking
sometime in 1980’s.
Elexis : Yeah, you were lucky. Most of the time the judges protect these guys out here. There
are a lot of people out here doing law suits. They are just stealing cars out here left and
right. They steal the cars and leave the families on the curb.
Roger : Yeah
Elexis : I’m wondering if you have any kind of information about that habeas that Dale Robertson
or Dale Roberts from Idaho did? What do you think of that?
Roger : Yeah…you’re not going to get anywhere with that stuff.
Elexis : You don’t think so…
Roger : No! The reason is because they are relying on the statutes.
Elexis : Okay. I just wondered because the way it was worded.
Roger : No…No..see people think because they get cute with these words here but see they are
using the statutes. See everything I’m doing here is contrary because we’re using Public
Policy. When they retreat back to the statutes and when they do you gotta forget about
what I’m doing.
Elexis : Okay, right. I knew there was a difference and I want to keep your philosophy as pure
as possible, but sometime when you’re being attack it’s hard not put you arms up to
keep them from slaying you.
Roger : Yeah I know. I don’t know if I can solve this problem just zip over the phone here like
this.
Elexis : Well the thing I was wondering about is in your transcripts you talked about a Replevin
Bond and I thought that could be used on an exparte’. Accepting it for value and taking
it in to a judge on an exparte’.
Roger : Well you’re not going to do well going in there orally. You need this on paper. If you
do wind up orally in the court then you use the three magic question…what’s your name
etc. They use testimony from the witness chair.
Elexis : All right.
Roger : To give them the powers against you for when it is contested. So what you do, your job
is to interrogate the witness. You ask the three magic questions and you don’t go beyond
that.
Elexis : Let me ask you something. I have a little workshop and I find it absolutely necessary to
practice this process in a mock court settings”.
Roger : Some people here are expecting answers. You don’t care what they say.
Elexis : One guy went to court and went through the questions real well, but the judge, when he
requested the order, the judge just set it aside. What they are doing is passing it around
from judge to judge, none of the judges want to sign the order. I found that interesting.
Roger : Yea yea, then they get cute. We had a lady here that went to court on a traffic issue and
when she asked the highway patrolman, went through the questions, he stated yes, he had
a claim, and that through her off. She didn’t know what to do from there. See what these
people do here is they go in asking questions in the third person like, do you have a claim
against Jane Doe.
Elexis : Oh she didn’t know the difference between claim versus the complaint or who has the
superior claim?
Roger : You see, you don’t even have to consider that. You see when you are interrogating him
you don’t care what he says because anything he says can and will be used against him.
He’s testifying not you! That’s the essence here of taking testimony because when you
enter it into these courts here it inverts. That’s why the miranda warning is here, anything
you say can and will be used against you, it doesn’t say maybe.
Elexis : Can they turn that and put you on the stand?
Roger : Yes, and ask what is your name. There was a guy who was going into court and I
couldn’t understand why none of this was working, I am paraphasing here now because
this information came from third parties over the phone. He had a week in court and they
had a jury set here, and he didn’t know how to stop it. Finally I find out here that he’s got
an attorney. He didn’t hire the attorney and he didn’t know how to get rid of them.
Elexis : That’s what they do, they assign you one, and he becomes like a tar baby.
Roger : You see, that’s what happened and he allowed somebody to testify already. Any time
they are going to get some evidence to move against you with that jury its going to have to
come from the witness chair, so you make sure you interrogate the witness with the 3
magic questions. He already had testified. Some other things he had done, that he
indicated to me, what they had in there that they were relying on, well then I figured out it
was the court appointed attorney. I didn’t know he had one, he never said he took one,
they assign one. I said, that’s the one.
Elexis : Well the court appointed attorney, you can’t get rid of them
Roger : Well, we fixed this one. He was going to go in and fire the attorney and I said, you can’t
do that here. You just wait until they’re in the middle of something, then at some point in
time, you stand up at the most awkward time, and tell them here that you are going to call
a witness here for direct examination and name the attorney. Don’t mention his title or
anything, just his name. And that’s what he did he stood up, he didn’t give the name of
who he is calling, he stood up and said he would like to call somebody for direct
examination. The judge jumped up and flew at him, started threatening him right away,
and he turned to the judge and asked what is your name? Do you have a claim against
me? It was a woman judge, she turned her back to the audience immediately, she didn’t
want to be an eye witness and she is the witness he was calling.
Elexis : That would stand the court on its ear.
Roger : Well that’s what you do you get somebody to stand up and annouce they are going to call
a direct witness here.
Elexis : What did you think about that statement, if you heard about it, the guy that says, after the
judge called the court to order, raised his right hand and said, I swear to tell the truth the
whole truth and the truth only, and this court is now set up under the commercial law, and
he sat back down. When any attorney started to say something, he said, I take exception,
they have not been sword in.
Roger : Well, I don’t think that’s going to do ya, they’ll dismantle him real fast. Because he is
testifying! The Internal Revenue Service only recognizes two kinds of people employers
and employees. If you avail yourself to the court as a witness, then you see here, then you
are identified as an employee.
Elexis : Okay, even when you’re r drug into court you still stick with the transcript.
Roger : Oh yea, cause you see the three magic questions are designed here, if you are pulled into
oral proceedings against your will. Okay that’s the only position you need to take, years
ago there were people that could just stand mute and win.
Elexis : Yea, now they beat it out of you.
Roger : Yea they used to do even worse than that, during the Spanish inquisition here they would
put you to the torture chambers, that’s that common law. It’s the same thing, it the same
jurisdiction being exercised.
Elexis : Let me ask you something, if its not too personal. Do you have a treasury account set up
with your treasury letters or do you just go directly to the bank?
Roger : I just use mine direct with the bank. That treasury business just got totally distorted here
and not used here for what it was meant. And see, and I told people around me here,
along with me that kind of designed it, and I went along with all of the promotion, the
positive promotion where I could, t was the idea that people would get a fix in their mind
here for how you dealt with the collective claims. But the collective idea was to get those
collective debts paid, zeroed out the account.
Elexis : I liked your idea of displacing the debt with the water and the oil.
Roger : Yea. You see your treasury account here will always be at zero because that’s what
happens with the Federal Reserve Banks here and the national banks at the end of every
day. They have got to balance, the balance is zero.
Elexis : So that letter that you faxed me before, that basically is what you can use for their book-
keeping for the IRS. So first of all I am just going go to the County Recorder and request
the lien be released.
Roger : No, you ask the County Recorder for the Release of Lien, they don’t have the authority to
release the lien. People don’t study the form here very good, and I don’t know if its on all
of them, but the ones here that I have seen, Notice of Federal Tax Lien, there’s a
statement in there that states, “that the lien itself will serve as a certificate of release.”
Elexis : Oh, I am going to have to look at these, I don’t really have it. I just here of it that’s the
way its recorded at the county recorder.
Roger : I have seen the actual lien, so you see, whenever those notices of federal tax liens are filed,
they don’t actually go against the taxpayer, they are really for the benefit of the taxpayer,
they go against the taxpayer’s creditors.
Elexis : Okay? So those that are using this would be the ones using them, the corporation money,
the fictions.
Roger : You see in this jurisdiction we are exercising now, its all international. That means here that
you and I, as the owners of the account. That means here that a sovreign then owner of the
account doesn’t do any of the work. The sovreign has employees that do the work. When
there’s a credit and a debit, we have two employees then, one is the state and one is
federal, they are handling matching funds.
Elexis : Matching funds okay?
Roger : Now here’s what that means, when every state project here is seeking matching federal.
But you see, due to the Glass Steagle Act, the fiduciaries cannot communicate directly
between themselves.
Elexis : Yea Clinton just passed that didn’t he?
Roger : Well, they repealed it. That really hasn’t changed here how the national mortgage
companies have to work. Because there is still a barrier there. Actually the barrier is the
nature of atomic energy. It’s actually atomic or nuclear energy here that gives value to the
currency system, ultimately.
Elexis : I know you always refer to it as the court of conscious.
Roger : Yea, well you see here your conscious here is the sactuary because that’s a sanitary area.
In your brain here they have to break through the membranes of your body here to get into
it. You just need to avail yourself of the simplicity from these working facts.
Elexis : At this point here you don’t see any hope here of him going down and demanding the car,
the vehicle from the towing yard?
Roger : Right! I would just accept the receipt for value with the acceptance statement on the
receipt using the legend we use.
Elexis : What about…would you use an 8300 if they just go uh huh thank you, and keep your car?
Roger : Well, don’t get the question here too fast before we get to that point because I can’t
suspend it in my mind here. I have to just follow through here the mechanics we have to
do here in our mind. You see, I am going to give you something here that’s going to be
stronger than that. Somehow you find out or get to where these people here are given
personal service. Somebody goes down and personally serves that yard. Are you able
to locate it?
Elexis : Oh Yea.
Roger : Do you have the name of the person on that receipt?
Elexis : They give you the tow yard, there is no name on it, the officers that were there when the
owner of the car ran out and said, what are you doing, an officer came over and said, you
don’t have license plates on your car and the owner started explaining about it being a
husbandry plate, and the officer said, oh I remember you, we took your cars a couple
years ago.
Roger : And did they keep it?
Elexis : Yea, they kept his car.
Roger : He needs a name, he might be able to use the name of the police officer. You take and
have the process served on the guy. Did he have any kind of a court action that he took
it under?
Elexis : No
Roger : None huh?
Elexis : They just say that its in the code book. The vehicle code.
Roger : Yea
Elexis : That’s when this one guy said, the vehicle code is nothing but heresay, it isn’t law.
Roger : Yea I know, but that’s how they take evidence. Heresy is evidence, its not heresay, its
heresy. There’s a difference. Heresy is what they are taking it on, which means
presumption of guilt.
Elexis : Isn’t that interesting.
Roger : That’s what it is here, its presumption. So here’s what you do, you serve them here with
a notice of acceptance and you return that receipt to them for the commercial claim on
the vehicle, whatever it is. Okay now, here’s the rationale, because they have made a
commercial instrument here and gave you the receipt which represents the claim they
have on the vehicle. When you return that item to them, you are returning the same
amount as they claim.
Elexis : The offer, okay.
Roger : Now that you have given them the offer in exchange back for the vehicle, you see now if
they refuse to accept that reciept for their claim, you see here they have admitted their
claim had no value in the beginning.
Elexis : Now would you put a value on that and give them a bill of exchange as well?
Roger : No, don’t start the extras here. What you’re going to do here is put the letter to him here
stating what you’re giving back to him. In the event that they refuse and/or otherwise
deny the acceptance in exchange for the item, then at that point they have admitted that
they are making a taxable claim.
Elexis : Oh, okay got it
Roger : Now what you want to do is a request a 1099OID to mark the transaction here as it
occurred.
Elexis : Oh a 1099.
Roger : A 1099OID now remember that.
Elexis : Oh? What does OID mean?
Roger : It means original issue discount. See they have to admit both sides of the account here
with that one. In other words that goes back to the pincipal account that they rely on
here for their claim. So that’s what you do. You get someone to serve it on them. The
server requests the release of the vehicle and to return it, physically, from where they
took it. So they better get a tow truck out there to take it back.
Elexis : Then you just request they give the car back with the bill of exchange, and you give them
72 hours?
Roger : No, you don’t even do that, you want the car returned immediately. Don’t start into that.
They will be required to return the item immediately. Put a W-9 request right along with
it. Take it in and slam it down on him. Just have the server serve the papers on him.
Elexis : Oh that’s interesting. You see I teach a little workshop here, I believe the paperwork is
only as good as the performer. These guys here think they don’t need to practice. So I
guess I am the one here that is making them practice.
Roger : You just need to make sure a request for immediate release of the vehicle is there or in
lieu of that you want a 1099OID issued to show the value of the claim. So what sort of
values? Have they had any amounts of money on that stuff?
Elexis : There are two schools of thought on this, I am glad you asked that. Originally when I
talked to you you told me pretty close to the amount because some people were puttihng
gazillions of dollars which I find obnoxious.
Roger : Yea yea yea.
Elexis : I don’t know how we got to leaving that off and letting them put in the value.
Roger : I know what you need to do on this one. Go down to a car dealer and get an estimate
on what they will sell you a like car for. Do it in the name of the person who’s car was
taken. Have the dealer give you an estimate. Staple the estimate right to the receipt.
Now you see, they know you have an eligible witness to bring in the amount. Go get a
nice high bid on it too.
Elexis : You know, that’s what they do, they devalue everybody’s car. They devalued my
Oldsmobile to $300 and squashed it.
Roger : Well then you go and get a bid for a new car, a brand spanking new one. Get them to
sign…..(tape change)….a brand new one and you attach that to the receipt for the
amount shown in evidence on the estimate, or return of the item immediately. Now they
are going to know, you have gotten a bid here, and you can take the car down here and
send them the bill. You might even get a dealer that will cooperate with you and tell you
joe blow tow over at the yard is going to pay for this. They will give you an invoice for
the car you sign it and have them send the bill to joe blow tow.
Elexis : What do you think about small claims court? Does that take it back to statutory or is
that something different?
Roger : What were are doing here is small claims court. The judge is going to get a chance to
read it anyway cause that’s where they run so we are in court anyway. We are in small
claims.
Elexis : We own the courts basically…
Roger : The court of conscious we are taking them in.
Elexis : There is another case. This guy went in, he did the whole accepted for value, and when
he asked the clerk for the order he said, you have to give me a copy of this. The clerk
says, the judge told you what you owe. He told her, you have to give me a copy of this.
Apparently the court is claiming they have a problem with his address. This guy has a
general delivery at the post office where he receives his mail.
He told her to go talk to the judge. The clerk later said she decided to give him the
order. He said I don’t care who gives it to me. The clerk told him that he would have
to return in a few days to pick up the order because it isn’t prepared. It was one page
and now she said it is 4 pages.
Roger : Why doesn’t he just receive mail at his house? Is there a problem he is trying to avoid
with that? You just have got to show where you live. You see there are two addresses,
one for general delivery and the one where you live. I had the old rural addresses like
we have out here. They kept dunning me and wanting me to do an address correction.
You see when I wrote to them my return address was written on the envelope, notifying
them of my address. They sent information back to me wanting me to put in a change of
address on their forms, to enter into a contract with them. I had a broker and they
wanted me to fill the change of address other than his notification. I let the account go
for a number of years and the broker contacted me, said they were going to turn my
account over to the state as abandoned property. They sent that right after they knew
the government had made changes from the rural address to new addresses. I knew
they wanted more than the address, that they were going to assume more than just the
address, that they had agreements with me that they really didn’t have. So what I did,
one day I went into my bank. I asked my banker if they would mind transferring my
broker account into their bank. She said I think we can do that. I gave her the
paperwork and I told her the reason I wanted the account closed was that they were not
doing what I request them to do and that I didn’t want anymore to do with them. So she
got the guy on the phone, tracked the broker down is what it was. It took us an hour
and a half, I was put on hold twice for 10 minutes and one time for a full half hour. But
she stayed with me on the phone and finally the broker came on the phone. I knew I
had a couple thousand dollars in there, but I didn’t know the rest of the background
because they had to buy a treasury bill, a zero coupon bond to be able to handle the
account. They were holding a treasury bill, a zero coupon and they sold it. He said they
can’t transfer the account to the bank, but that I would get a check. He said I would get
a check for less than $10,000. I said I’m in no hurry for that, I just want to make sure
this account gets into this bank. So he just wrote the check out to me and I took it to
the bank and deposited it. That was it see, but they had to surrender the t-bill, around
$9600 was more than I actually cashed that had been put in there.
Elexis : Oh! Very Good!
Roger : See I made them surrender the bond. But you see what that meant is I had that bank. I
wouldn’t try to do this over the phone anymore. I think the reason I prevailed is
because I had a bank there with me who would be my fiduciary.
Elexis : You know when you talk about the fiduciary can you just have one fiduciary or ?
Roger : No. There’s got to be two. That was my banker and my broker here they were one on
each side of the account. That’s why they were caught here and they couldn’t wiggle out
of it.
Elexis : I thought that on one place you said the government thought they were your fiduciary, so
when you say your fiduciary is with the bank…
Roger : Well, the government here would be the whole thing, I mean, the government here would
be the whole organized apparatus.
Elexis : Who’s supposed to be working for us?
Roger : Yea, and so you see, and so they have to travel through you in fact here so that the other
side account here could be met. When both sides of the account are met here in you,
the account goes to zero. One is foreign and one is domestic. Too many people get to
thinking here, “I’m going to go offshore” and stuff like that, its not foreign in an
international government. There is nothing out there foreign, its all one government.
Elexis : So its state and federal that have to balance and you the one that balances it?
Roger : Right, yea, or agency and corporation, but you see, the fed has juridiction over the
intangible and the state has jurisdiction over the tangible.
Elexis : Oh! Interesting!
Roger : Form versus substance.
Elexis : I was thinking domestic versus foreign.
Roger : Yea, but you see, then who is foreign here? You have to…(L: wouldn’t that be fiction?)…
if its you, then it [the foreign] would be the public, and then the public says, we have this
foreign thing here. They are saying you’re foreign to them.
Elexis : Isn’t foreign fiction?
Roger : Well, it would be to you. But you see for the state to say they received a foreign thing, or
a foreign bill, then you see they are referring to you. Because you are the only one that
could be foreign to them.
Elexis : That does get a little tricky in there when you start figuring out public and private.
Roger : Well, you have to figure out who is doing the testifying, okay. You see, that’s why you
are asking the questions here and the witness is testifying.
Elexis : Have you ever heard of that church in Florida that is being attacked by the government for
not being a 501 (c) (3)? Are you helping them?
Roger : No haven’t heard of them. Why aren’t they a 501 (c) (3)? Well what you see what they
are trying to do is create their own artificial entities.
Elexis : I guess what they are thinking is that they are a constitutional church.
Roger : That ain’t going to work. They need to operate in their own names when they are doing
that.
Elexis : I see okay.
Roger : Well you just need to operate in your own name and know where you are at. You see
that has to come together here with the fictional claim.
Elexis : We have more power in our own name than anything?
Roger : Yea. You know why? It all has to do with numbers. Let’s see you as a female here that
is a negative as opposed to a male here that is postitive. If you take minus 10 and minus
10 what do you get?
Elexis : Minus 20?
Roger : Right, and if you take plus 10 and plus 10, what do you get?
Elexis : Plus 20?
Roger : Right, so you see you’ve still got debt don’t you?
Elexis : Right
Roger : You have minus 10 plus 10, what’ve you got?
Elexis : Zero.
Roger : Right. That’s how the redeemer works.
Elexis : I am getting this concept, I am just having problems with my public and private.
Roger : Okay, well then you’re standing between the fiduciaries. One of them here you give him a
draft and you say the bill is paid and he said here your check bounced. You didn’t give
him a check. You gave them a money order. Because that’s what those drafts are. He
acted on those drafts here and tried to send his check here to the other fiduciary and it
bounced here because there is no provision here for it to travel directly. Your check
bounced, he issued the check here out of his account but it bounced because of the Glass-
Steagal Act, because of the reason here of why the Glass-Steagal Act passed. You see
here, even though the Glass-Steagal Act has been altered, the barrier is still there between
the debit and the credit, between the state and the federal.
Elexis : I am standing between the fiduciaries?
Roger : Right.
Elexis : So that means I have to issue them an order.
Roger : You issued the order, he issued the check and it bounced, and he comes back and tells
you it bounced. When you accept that check here whatever bounced here, and then send
it out to the other fiduciary here, which probably, that’s what I am saying I did with my
bank. You see they didn’t have any choice, they got caught flat footed.
Elexis : Let’s say that this guys going to go do his car, to redeem the car, he would give them the
order accepting it.
Roger : When he gives them the order it says in there, release the order to me immediately. With
that order you see is going to be an estimate for a new car in there, what you’re telling him,
and just put a cover letter on it, that he either return the item itself here, or, the amount.
The replacement amount that’s shown on the estimate.
Elexis : Okay.
Roger : Yep, that’s all you got to tell them there boy!
Elexis : The enforcement of it is really what?
Roger : Well the enforcement is going to be the tax liability on that jerk. You can also, after this
here, then you request here, whoever serves the paper on him then can tell him, if you are
not going to return the item immediately, then I have some other papers to serve you.
Then serve the W-9 on them and request them here that because here of your refusal to
deliver this into our possession immediately then hereyou are required then here to provide
me here with a 1099OID and here is your W-9 request. Slap those on him
Elexis : Everybody fears IRS.
Roger : Yea yea, and its not just going to be the Internal Revenue Service because on that letter,
what you are stating here, copies to the Internal Revenue Service here and also to the
Franchise Tax Board.
Elexis : What about that Securities and Exchange? Does that still have any muscle in it?
Roger : Well, no, you don’t need to to that now here. Wait till you get these guys hung out on
these securities. When you got plenty to report.
Elexis : So we’re not really using the Bills of Exchange? Are the Bills of Exchange kind of not
being used here?
Roger : Oh yes! You’re taking that here for value, and you’re putting a receipt from another car
dealer to set the value of the car that they took. Now you are telling them, my car is
equal to the value of that. See you can’t do it yourself, now you have another witness
that can be called, that’s eligible to witness the value of that exchange here.
Elexis : We keep hoping you’d come out and visit us sunshine group.
Roger : Well this might be best like this because you are putting it to use right way, and then we
are gonna see and then we take it from there.
Elexis : I just love all this internet because people do kinda share what’s happening so I know its
got a lot of good response.
Roger : Well, the problem with that is you get a lot of people in here that that’s all they do, and
then pretty soon here you know, they’re commentin on everything, and then pretty soon
you’ve got so much stuff here that you have to sift through before you get to the stuff that
means anything.
Elexis : It really is so simple, its hard to understand because of the simplicity.
Roger : Yea.
Elexis : You don’t have to fight.
Roger : Yea. That’s right, there’s not much to do
Elexis : I know when I was having my little mock classes and people would argue back and forth
especially regarding the judges not wanting to give their name. That point to their placard
or comment how the bailiff had already introduced them, they’ll do anything not to give
their name.
Roger : Right. Well see you don’t care, if that’s the way he wants to testify let him.
Elexis : Then you just say, do you have a claim
Roger : Right, you don’t care what he says, you just go on, you just go through the routine and
direct it at him. Usually they’ll give their name to start with. You see anybody that
addresses anything in there you are taking them into your court. And if you start
acknowledging any of their procedures in there, then they are going to assume you’re in
theirs. Because all they want you to do is recognize the accuser, either by body language,
testimony, or something so you become a witness against yourself.
Elexis : I always tell people they want to find out how you want to plead and you want to find out
who has a claim.
Roger : No, they just want you to recognize the accuser regardless of what they are going to use
to appease their conscious. So that’s why you just run through your questions, teach
these people not to get rattled here, when they come up with an unexpected answer, just
go on to the next question. And then request the order of the court be released to you
immediately. You see they are in violation here and in contempt of court.
Elexis : That cleared up a lot, well okay, I won’t keep you, but I appreciate you so much.
Roger : Well, as long as you got here what you need then we can get those, sometimes it takes
awhile just to work it down to those simple points made here so you don’t let them slip by.
Elexis : Sometimes it is too slip, it slips right past you.
Roger : Yea Yea Yea
Elexis : Thanks so much.
Roger : Okay.
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