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11-26-99
Lex: Hello…Roger
Roger: Who is this?
Lex: Elexiss.
Roger: Oh Okay.
Lex: I have a question. I have a friend I’ve been trying to help who is now in jail. I emailed some of the activity that was going on before they came and picked her up. They indicated on the paper work they gave her after her parole board meeting that they picked her up because of the paperwork she was submitting. They were implying it was a parole violation. My question is: When you accept this paperwork for value are you also suppose to sent in a partial release to the state where you filed the UCC’s?
Roger: Well you don’t really have to because they’re burdened here right with the acceptance.
Lex: Okay, with the acceptances do you put NON NEGOTIABLE on the acceptances.
Roger: No…No
Lex: Oh you just have to put ACCEPTED FOR VALUE, name, date etc.
Roger: Accepted for Value, This property…..
Lex: I’ve got that statement--
Roger: Yeah, but read me what you’ve got. There were variations made here and I don’t know who did them.
Lex: Wally. We got this from Wally. Non-negotiable, then your name…..,
Roger: No I don’t put Non-Negotiable
Lex: Okay then we’ll take that off. It says ACCEPTED FOR VALUE, THIS PRESENTMENT….
Roger: Nope…nope, get your pen and I’ll tell you what I put.
Lex: Okay go ahead
Roger: ACCEPTED FOR VALUE. THIS PROPERTY IS EXEMPT FROM LEVY.
PLEASE ADJUST THIS ACCOUNT, THE PROCEDES, PRODUCTS, ACCOUNTS AND FIXTURES, AND RELEASE THE ORDER(S) OR ORDER(S) OF THE COURT TO ME IMMEDIATELY. Okay then you date it and sign it and a place for employer ID #.
Lex: Okay …perfect
Roger: Are you sitting at a fax machine?
Lex: Yes I am
Roger: Okay, I’m going to give you something that you can use to burden whoever is responsible. You see there is a business organization that has taken her into custody.
Lex: Right
Roger: It can be a court or whatever, but it’s still a business organization, and there is somebody in there that is personally responsible for that.
Lex: Right. Its called CDC or the jailor, they call the Watchman or Lieutenant.
Roger: Right, but who is the one who turned her into his custody?
Lex: Oh that would be her parole officer. These people are set up like Gods
Roger: Okay, that’s the one. That’s the one this would go to. Just a minute I’ve got to dig around here. I don’t want this letter going anywhere. This is my personal stuff.
Lex: Are you going to be coming to Calif.
Roger: I don’t know yet. I’ve got some other things ahead of it. It’s kind of in the works but it hasn’t come together yet.
Lex: What’s the tractor status?
Roger: Well it’s going to have to occur after the first of the year. You’ll see it here in this letter. I’m probably not going to tell anybody the outcome anyway. Because people have a tendency to see this as following a loop hole. Sure they like to be encouraged but a lot of people think because they follow what they think is a loop hole is the wrong reason.
Lex: Right, I agree with you completely. You tell people about this process and their eyes glaze over and they think they’re going to get all this money on this accepted for value. I say "No that is debt". But they don’t get it.
Roger: Right
Lex: I had the opportunity of retyping all the transcripts of your conversation with Dave and Jean. They had transcribed it but I retyped it and formatted it. Remember them?
Roger: Yep
Lex: Anyway it gave me a real opportunity to really grasp what you were saying.
A lot of it was repetitive, but finally I just go it and feel I really understand what you’re really saying.
Roger: And they’re inclined to go beyond this legend I just gave you.
Lex: They keep trying to solve everything on paper.
Roger: Right, well see when you give it to them in writing see, that is the draft.
That is the sight draft right there and it is payable at sight. In other words here when they see it now you see they’re eligible to be subpoenaed as a witness. And they are in the employ of the corporation and they are the person that is the eye witness of the event. Okay that’s why that is a sight draft. That’s a draft telling them to address the account because the adjustment comes from public policy. Okay that’s the same as grace.
Lex: Okay, now I had another friend that had a traffic ticket and it was beyond the days. The Reg Z days because she didn’t know about this process. She did an accepted for value to the police officer and the court and they are threatening to suspend her license. She’ll accept that for value also.
Roger: See this letter will cover that. See a suspension means the accountant has taken the value and stuck it in a suspense account on his ledger. That is a way of doing it here so they don’t have to identify who the principle is—who the value belongs to. The letter that I’ve got here will cover that stuff. Because I’m going right into their accounting.
Lex: When you send this letter off to the Treasury…
Roger: Don’t even worry about that. Okay go ahead.
Lex: See I was looking on the dollar bills….there is one that is signed by the Secretary of the Treasury and one on the other side would that be the private side?
Roger: I don’t know which one is which. I don’t get into that. The thing here is we’re working with the Dept. of the Treasury. I’m dealing with mine, and I don’t care about anything else. The number I got from the Department of Treasury even the public side of the treasury is going to have to admit that’s where it came from. And you also have to remember that this idea of what we’re doing with the Treasury really has nothing to do with what we’re doing individually We did that to take the energy out of someone in the public assuming the use of your name. Because a Treasury Account is always at zero. Always.
Lex: Okay so the birth certificate….it still has something to do with the birth certificate though doesn’t it?
Roger: Well yeah, it brings the account to zero. See because the Federal Reserve Bank is the trust company of the bank downtown. That’s where you go in and sign a note. You sign a note in there and they credit your account and then they debit your account when they credit the cashiers books. Then that’s when it goes from the Federal Reserve Bank into the national bank, when it goes to the cashier. Now you can go in and write checks and debit the cashier ‘s account when you write your check. That’s when you obtain title to your property.
Lex: Okay, without having to really get in an resolve accounts, lets say for example that you have --lets just use a police citation. Lets say they keep coming after you, is there anything else that you can do beyond that IRS 8300? I’m under the impression that is the teeth and solution. That is the ultimate that puts the IRS on them for you versus you having to haggle with them.
Roger: Well see instead of you…see we’re changing gears on that too. I’m just filling in or telling people what I did. Just fill in the part of beneficiary , which is you. Just fill it in the same way and then put the date and the amount of the transaction in the next part and that’s all.. Don’t describe what it is or nothing. Check the top where it says amends prior report and suspicious transaction. Just check both of those and send it to these parties and tell them here this is a suspicious transaction and them to please complete it and turn in this currency report.
Lex: When you say send it to the individuals who do you mean?
Roger: The ones responsible for these reports. Send them the instructions with it and tell them to file it with the internal revenue service. You filled in you’re the one making the report.
Lex: But if they don’t?
Roger: Then we use a suspicious activity report and then we report it to the law enforcement. See that doesn’t go to the individual then that goes to the police.
Lex: I thought the 8300 was a suspicious activity report?
Roger: It is, it is a suspicious transaction. But a suspicious activity reports everybody that is involved and all the other activities surrounding it and why you think it is suspicious. You don’t get to tell it in the form. But you see…and then we also have some SEC reports that you can make too The SEC even makes an SEC investor complaint for people to file them. Then if you have a computer you just go in and find the report on Security and Exchange on the internet. They have forms right off the internet.
Lex: Awe. Okay I have another friend they are trying to put in jail or threatening on an SEC charge. He sold insurance and had some of his clients putting money into an account they pooled to trade commodities. The judge did say it was not criminal only civil. He accepted them for value but they haven’t dropped the court case. They are still trying to prosecute.
Roger: All they have to do is accept that for value and stuff that right down their throat.
Lex: Wow Roger. Thank you so much. You did answer a lot of my questions. I thought we had to send in partial releases in every time we accepted something for value and put a value on it.
Roger: No No It’s a step we use for dramatizing it all. But see this stuff here we’re using is still eligible to be registered .
Lex: Uh huh, okay.
Roger: See its not the registration itself that does not put these guys away.
Then we closed off with him faxing me the letter. Other little small talk