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.......1st hour of a 2 hour conversation. Two men talking to Roger…. One regarding an Apt. bldg. that dishonored his acceptance and exchange and he is in the process of taking the bldg.
K* Hey R I got this letter I want to give to the tenants… I wonder if you can take a listen and see what you think…?
R: Yeah… okay, go ahead.
K* Says: Summary Judgment: Building Name Residents: The previous owner of this building (parcel # 123 456 789 01) has surrendered all equitable claims to satisfy outstanding debt. Debt created by misapplying funds, delaying closure, and falsely enriching themselves as a result. Therefore the equity must be liquidated for closure in exchange, that being all rental agreements including yours. If you wish to continue with the bribe with the delinquent management, who may have committed a felony by claiming to have a non-existing assessment, you will receive eviction notices for failing to agree with the new contract. This is in fact the new contract for the new owner. If you choose to live here, sign and return this contract by: October 31, 2002, or move. Then I put my address…. What do you think? (this is the completed one after making changes R suggested)
R: Well that’s getting right to it. That’s what we have to do.
K* That other letter I kind of felt like I was tip toeing through there. Now these people either need to pay me or get out of there….
R: Yeah! Yeah! (chuckling) Well see what you need to do when you’re talking about this you need to refer to the new owner. I think you got close to it but you didn’t get specific enough by calling it the new owner. And you see the business organization responsible or the management has misapplied the funds, placing them with someone other then the owner. That’s one of the basic prizes for you for doing what you’re doing.
K* Okay.
R** And shouldn’t he say something about assessment?
R: Yeah! We’ll talk about that. Just a second I’ve got to answer the radio we’ve got tractors going out to the field… hang on!
K** chit chat about farming etc.
K* So how was your vacation?
R: laughing…. Yeah… what vacation? There was more work there then I have here…
K* Must have been interesting then.?..
R: Oh yeah it was! That’s why I was going to talk to you about what B* was talking about. When you got to straighten these people out. See these attorneys jump into the middle of this and you’re liable to run into one of them here pretty soon because you’re starting to put the heat on them pretty heavy.
K* Okay!
R: We had a deal down there in Texas where they were trying to run over one of these fellows and take all of his property, his house and everything. Of course what he did was he filed bankruptcy to hold them off. Because he had to have an operation and he was in the hospital and couldn’t meet one of the court appearances in the bankruptcy proceedings even. So they came in an arrested him. Well they came in and dragged him out of bed real early in the morning and he had just gotten out the hospital the night before.
K* Wow!
R: He was still in his pajamas and was bleeding all over the place when they dragged him in the courtroom…
R** Damn!…
K* No playing games in Texas huh???
R: Well it upset the judge too you know. See that didn’t hurt our side any. But anyway he told the judge that he’d entered a motion to dismiss. When he did that he stated that he was not in dispute of any of the facts and he would plead to the charge of willful failure to file.
K* Okay!
R: Okay… but you got to remember he was in custody cause they dragged him in there by force and so the judge couldn’t take a guilty plea from him. Then because he put the motion to dismiss in that calls for the judge to have to issue “Findings of Fact and Conclusions of Law” for settlement.
K* Aaahh!
R** He should not have done that?
R: Oh yes!!!
K* He wants to find the facts and conclusions for closure!!!
R: Yes because it’s a felony for an attorney to charge a claim without an assessment. Well what he was trying to do was create the assessment by making the charge and that’s a felony.
K* Okay… I follow
R: So you see when the judge would have to enter the conclusions of law and findings of fact that would have had to have stated the condition of the attorney. He didn’t have the assessment… he committed a felony.
K* Ooohh!!!
R: That’s why we pushed it. Whenever we moved for dismissal that’s what the judge has to do in the case. He has to enter into the findings of fact and the conclusions of law… he’s the finder of fact!
K* Boy they don’t want the facts brought out do they?
R: No! So what he did… he told this guy and the prosecutor to go out and negotiate a settlement. So they did and a friend of mine sat in with them and they hammered on those attorneys for 3 hours and they wouldn’t budge. That meant, what I figured, was they had something up their sleeve yet. Because now you see, this guy needed to prepare a disciplinary report against these attorneys with the Bar Association. Anyway you file the action and the reason you’re filing the action there is to obtain the Certificate of Origin for the assessment. If he doesn’t have any, he’s committed a felony.
K* So he’s in hot water!
R: Well yeah. That’s why whenever these attorneys … See B* was telling she has got this one guy that he’s asking for the assessment and she said, “what do we do when they come and say this is how much the assessment is that you’re going to have to pay.” Well that’s easy!! I just tell them, “Well where is the assessment?” They might come and tell you how much it is but I didn’t find your check. See if they don’t come with the check and pay up they can’t prove a claim in fact. That’s what it’s all about and if they attempt to charge the claim without the assessment it’s a felony. So I knew there had to be something coming before the hearing coming up because that attorney was subject to surrendering his license and going to jail. Anyway it was probably only an hour or so before the hearing, that attorney got a hold of him and told him he wanted to talk to him. Well at that point, see, I just wouldn’t do it. I would just simple go to the court room with your witness and instruct the judge that after repeated attempts the attorney has refused to cut to an agreement. So that is a dishonor you see. Now we want dismissal based on the findings of fact and conclusions of law. If there is not a dismissal then I will plea to the charge….
K* Okay
R: … So either way the attorney, if you plea to the charge, the judge is going to have to discharge then.
R** That’s only if you have an appearance bond though, correct?
R: Yeah but see, you have it!…. They don’t have any facts to dispute it. They’ve come ….
K* With alleged charges correct?
R: Yeah! See if the judge doesn’t cover you with a bond then you see he’s subject to the same conditions.
K* Aaahh!
R** Very interesting!
R: See the reason they tried to do this … See I know attorneys that have tried to do this just
before you walk into the courtroom. They’ll come to you and they want to talk to you before you get into the courtroom and they’ll probably make some remarks and you’ll wonder what the hell he’s talking about and he’s going to come in and assume that there is the agreement. Something that he hasn’t disclosed.
K* Any fragment like you said?…
R: Right and that’s why you just want to stay out of his way so that no way can he put the squeeze play on you. Then in the courtroom if the attorney says anything to you before anything starts in the proceedings just tell him, “Just direct your comments to the bench, because we’re going to have the findings of fact and the conclusions of law.” When the judge does that and if he makes valid those conclusions based upon what the attorney has said and what he doesn’t say… he’s toast.
K* What does he do to the attorney at that point? … does he go into custody or what?
R: Well I don’t know. I know one thing. That once that you’ve got that part on the record, you see that there is a charge and I’m not so sure they dare let loose because that has to do with the charges against the conscience of everybody that passed through. Because you see what they do, they come in there and they assume that they have an assessment and then they just keep passing this instrument around because everybody assumes they’re holders in due course… innocent holders in due course.
K* But they all have blood on their hands!
R: Yeah! But you see now once you have established that they are all handling a correct item it’s hard telling how many are going to go down.
R** Is there any place in what K*’s doing right now on his situation for an assessment? … asking for that from the attorney or should he wait until the attorney brings himself to the open?
R: Wait until the attorney brings himself into the open or simple put a qualifying statement into that stuff he’s doing that the current delinquent management may have committed a felony. You can just tell them that may have committed a felony assuming to have an assessment that is apparently non-existent…. And add it is a felony to charge a claim without an assessment and that is apparently what they’ve done to these people. That’s what they’ve done to the tenants and to the new owner.
R** How did that guy make out in his court thing then where they drug him out of bed?
R: Well the judge told them, “Get out of here and go make a deal with the prosecutor.”
K* R when you’re talking about that law that all bills have to originate from the House not the Senate…
R: Yeah
K* Is that what they’re doing. Is that what the courts assume they’re doing when they’re trying to allege these charges is they are trying to create them up in the Senate indirectly or what?
R: Well that’s what they’re doing. That’s what contempt is all about because the Senate is in contempt of the constitution. But you see when you’re carrying the claim, then you’re held in contempt. But you see all revenue bills originate in the House.
K* Right! Right! Right!
R: In the house hold. That’s how come they’re talking about who is the holder.
K* Oh! Household… Holder in Due Course!
R: Yeah! How come do you think a lot of these attorneys set up their law firms and even dentists in residential houses? Have you ever seen that?
K* I’ve heard of some that had to take their practice into a house for awhile.
R: Sure… but I’ve seen where whole firms are established in a residential household. They turn it into an office but it still looks like a house and everything else looks like a house. … (joking) If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and ‘quacks’ like a duck… ( all laughing)
R** You could probably make an assumption there!
R: Yeah it’s a dog! (more laughter)
R** Well once they open the door to assumption, why I guess it could be a dog…
R: Yep! See the thing is I think what you guys need to do right now. See if you can find in the state statutes where it holds that conduct to be a felony. They had them down in Texas but I don’t know who has got them at hand, but that’s what we run across when we went through all that.
K* The state statute that says that assuming an assessment is a felony, right?
R: Yeah! But you see what it is, the way they state it I think is something like, to charge a claim without an assessment is a felony. They might state it to where they use a criminal charge to convert to a civil assessment. Because if they don’t have the assessment to begin with they don’t have the basis to bring a criminal charge.
K* They are putting themselves on the rotisserie basically?
R: Yeah! So you just have to keep that in mind. I’m sure they are going to have all kinds of different language in all the different states.
K* We’ll look it up and see how it’s going to directly apply here. I’m sure it’s going to be the same but to find out where it is.
R: And you see, this guy that was in court, he told the judge that he would be will to plead guilty to willful failure to file on 7203 or whatever it was… And the judge wouldn’t do it. See a lot of times they’ll take a plea from an attorney.
K* A guilty plea from an attorney?…
R: Sure! Because that still is not direct evidence.
R** Well you know R when they charged me with 7203, willful failure to file, I told them, “Yep you got the right guy! I did willfully fail to file and I’m going to continue to willfully fail to file forever so whatever you got to do get it done.” But then you know I had another one of filing a fraudulent W-4 E and I said, “Well I guess you got me there if you put out fraudulent forms and don’t put FRAUD on the face I guess I picked up the wrong one.” Anyway I plead guilty in essence to both charges. … And then they came back and plead me NOT GUILTY so they could have a trial.
R: THAT’s RIGHT! Now what you need to do is you need to commence action against them for damages and go and obtain the judicial file because all they’ve given you is the administrative file. In the judicial file there is where the original instruments should be. They were committing a felony when they were doing that. They were charging you criminally to obtain an assessment that they didn’t have.
R** Well I didn’t know about the appearance bond, but that was in 1978. If I would of known about the appearance bond I was already on top of the agreeing with their damn charges. I wasn’t arguing with them.
R: Yea! Well see now what you need to do is open it up and request the …. Well what you want to do is go to the courthouse and go in and take a look at the judicial file.
R** Would that still be in LA? I understand that my transcripts and that type of stuff is being held in storage over here in Irvine which is miles away from….
R: Yeah, well that might be the administrative record, but the judicial record you’re going to have to go to the chambers for that. That’s the one that’s got the compelling instruments in it. There is where you’re going to find the Certificate of Origin.
K* Chambers! That would be…
R** Would you go to the court where the trial … that judge…
R: Yeah, well there going to try to tell you that there isn’t anything like that exists here. The administrative file is here… You tell them, “No I want the judicial file. I want the judicial file that holds the original certificates…. The original commercial certificates and I want to view and find out where the Certificate of Origin is for the assessment in this case.” And you could also ask for the finding of fact and the conclusions of law.
R** That would be part of the judicial records?
R: Yeah! See they’re not going to put anything in the administrative file that can be used as a bill of exchange. But the one that can be used is the judicial file.
R** Well that’ll be an interesting search.
R: Yes! but once you do you might request… Well when you walk in on the clerk you tell them that you need to review the judicial file. They’ll probably try and show you the administrative file but that’s all photocopies in that one. So you see all the ones that have the original ink signatures and everything are in that judicial file. The administrative file may have some original signatures but they are the insignificant items. The ones though that can command commercial performance are in the judicial file. I know of a lady here that went up to Duluth a while back to look at the file and when she found there were certain things in the administrative file that weren’t there she said, “Where is the other file?” They say, “What other file? There isn’t any other files.” She told them, “Oh yes there is!” and she stayed with it and really got stern with them. They finally told her that she would have to go to the chamber for it.
R** Judges chambers?
R: Well, its the court chamber. The judge has a sub-clerk who oversees that one. That’s the one and then when you open it up to view it they sat there and glared at her and said, “Make sure that you don’t write on it.” She said, “We’re not!” and just kept writing Acceptance on everything. Man I’ll tell you that produced some real problems for them.
K* Now then just out of curiosity when I went through that little traffic incident and they had me there as their guest and everything I wonder if I shouldn’t go open that file up and stick that back in there face too.
R: Yeah! Yeah! You see, I’ll tell you what when you get into court it’s going to show on it’s face that it’s a criminal charge or a criminal matter. I think on the backside it shows it to be civil.
K* All in one contract huh?
R: Right ! One is the backside of the other. One is private and the other is public. So what you want to do is you ask the judge, “Is this a civil or criminal matter?”
K* So the back order is private side….
R: Yeah! So you see what you want to do is ask the judge for the findings of fact and conclusions of law… and if his officer had the assessment before he made the charge…. Yes or No. I want the Certificate of Origin! And see you’re holding it in your hand. (chuckle) You see and it’s a felony in this state to charge a claim without an assessment… so where is the assessment? Where was the assessment before this charge was made?
K* That would be fun because there was a lot of people who had their hands through that file. At least 3 judges if not 4 and a couple public defenders and a few policeman too…
R: Okay but you see what they do is they keep passing it along and passing it along and everybody claims to be an innocent holder in due course. Okay so what you’re after is the Certificate of Origin to show there is an assessment before they try to make the charge. Why? Because as a matter of fact and conclusion of law whoever did that without an assessment committed a felony.
K* Oh that goes directly back to the officer because that’s when he’s establishing the contract, right?
R: Right! Right!
K* Good! This is good! Boy man you just load us down with so much we’re going to have to get more bodies to hold all this information… (Chuckling)
R** No what R has exposed to me is just how empty I am. I’ve got room to put a lot more information…
K* We’re lovin it!
R** You know I was looking in one of my dictionaries the other day. I looked up the ‘wages of sin’ in the bible, you know in Strongs?… and it’s a soldiers pay or stipend.
R: A stipend is a stipulation of fact. It’s stipulating to the facts…
R** Okay.
R: Well you see for us we have the similar but it’s called a gratuity.
R** Well I know you went over those two words in one other transcript some time back…
K* What about gratuity… what exactly ???
R: It’s free. It’s gratis… grace.
K* Oh gottcha.
R** Well anyway under that thing wages, I went and looked it up in the dictionary and guess what I found?
R: What was that?
R** This is the definition: People who work to earn money in order to live…. And the word was wage slave. Well they’ve had us all out there working for nothing… chuckling
R** Then I looked up God. Do you know the definition of God is in the New Testament? It’s a magistrate.
R: Okay.
R** So now when you go before those judges you know you’re looking at God. (chuckling) I heard you say when you go into court and they tell you to “all rise” so you get closer to heaven while God walks in.
R: Yep! Yep! Well the thing is, that is what you’re actually doing as a matter of fact, you’re going to heaven when you rise up in the courtroom. The reason is, is because Israel is in heaven but Israel is a military organization organized in tens, hundreds and thousands.
R** Now is that ordinal or cardinal?
K* Would that be our criminal justice system?
R: Well maybe…. Maybe it could be cardinal. Because the cardinal is sort of the intermediate between us and the bishop.
R** Another interesting thing I’ve discovered… Have you ever heard of the Talmud?
R: Oh yeah!
R** Well I have this 1910 Encyclopedia Britannica and low and behold I’m reading up on the Talmud and it’s been canonized by the Pope. Now I’m beginning to figure out what religion is.
R: Yeah! Well see what that is… that is the way to administer the voodoo dolls or the strawmen.
R** The Talmud is… okay yeah!
R: That has nothing to do with flesh and blood. Have you seen the video of McBeth and Hamlett?
R** Well I have it but I’m not sure I understand it clearly.
R: You gotta watch it. This is all the palace intrigues in the days of the knights and the queens and the kings and whatever. See that is a show that shows you what happens when they conduct the commerce without the straw man.
K* Actual execution right?
R: Yeah! See they take the real live body and they treat it just like Talmud is raised to treat the straw man. People who don’t know the difference are like the people that went to the gas chambers in Germany. See because they didn’t know the difference between the real man and the straw man, so they admitted to being liable on the crime.
K* Instead of being from the tree of life they were from the idolatry?
R: Yeah! Yeah! And all Hitler was doing was paying the bills for the SS. Sending the paper which was burnt offerings here going up the chimney.
R** Yeah I believe it was paper that got burned up. Six million pieces of paper not six million people…
R: Well there was plenty of people that went, but how they went I’m not sure.
R** From the studies I’ve seen it seems impossible to burn up that many people in that length of time…
R: Yeah! Yeah! There was probably paper. But you see… and they do it in this country too. We’ve got a perfect example of Timothy McVeigh.
K* How’s that?
R: Well they executed him and I suppose they cremated him.
R** His life got cremated is what happened to that guy. They made an agent out of him and then used him and destroyed him…. Oh my God, the cheese gets bindier (constipating) all the time J
K* They just don’t have anything better to do, right?
R: Well they’re in the business of stealing so I guess they’re doing a landslide business.
K* What was the peoples demeanor in the courtroom when went in there and wanted to plead guilty to the charge and was bleeding and so on?… were they not as comfortable as they could be?
R: Right! They weren’t and the magistrate was clearly upset with them bringing him in there like that. It was a Magistrates court too by the way.
R** Well I kind of gather that really in essence they’re all magistrates… One fellow out here, Dan Tankersley, I don’t know if you’ve ever heard of him, but Dan did some research and found out that even a police officer is a third tier magistrate. Now I don’t recall in the law exactly where he pulled that up but he is quite a statutory code man.
R: Well then I think to qualify for a magistrate they would all have to have some direct energy infusion directly from the municipality, because it’s the municipals that actually charge the assessments. See because when you go to the nationals you’re going into treasury issues or the Federal Reserve. Those reserves are simply the surplus bonds that cover a prior issue of municipals. So you see I’m sure that the magistrate is some representative of that Original Issue here which would be in the employ of a municipality. Remember Abraham Lincoln when he was fighting the war it was always for what? … For the preservation of the Union. What union is that?
R** Union Jack people … that’s who I believe it is.…
R: Yeah well it’s the Union Jack then we live in the house that Jack built. Who’s Jack?…
R** Humpty Dumpty I guess!…
R: Well nooo… he’d be Jack be Nimble… (chuckling)
K* Yeah jumping over the fire. You were talking about that once about jumping from one side of the account to the other.
R: Yep! Yep! See it represents Jack Boots. It represents the troops that enforce this that are walking the boot step. So they’re all financed by the municipalities.... by the reserves. Those are not national reserves. See Hitler financed his SS over there by what?…
K* Execution?
R: The ghettos … which are municipal reserves. Those are not national reserves. So you see those are all in the employ of the municipality. So that’s how come the man in blue, he’s employed by the municipality, the state police aren’t and neither is the sheriff. The sheriff is in the employ of the insurance companies and banks. And he’s in there directly now because they took in the Glass-Steagall Act out to allow the banks and insurance companies to not observe any public barrier between them, only between us now. Between us and them now. That means now that we’ve got municipal troops which would be basically Special Forces or army reserve units and you see the other, the National Guards are foreign deployed. Reserves are internal ….
K* And the others are foreign deployed because they are indirectly deployed from Britain or…?
R: Yeah!
K* Okay!
R: Yeah so they guard the banks and insurance companies. The foreigners!
K* Yeah they’re guarding the foreign properties?
R: Right and that’s who the sheriff is.
R** Well I use to work for an Englishman that told me the word sheriff originated in England as Riff of the Shire and he was called the Shire of Riff. And that’s what we have today. So he’s still and English soldier today as far as I can tell.
R: Yeah.
R** Looks like all military is still under British control… I guess that’s exactly what Abraham Lincoln was establishing when he started the corporation.
R: Well you see the Union that he’s talking about is what we know is the union of operating engineers in this country. Why? …because all of the use engineers are operating under municipal contracts. Whenever a municipal contract is written it has to fall under a federal superintendent or a superintendent of a federal project.
K* Okay
R: That means that they have to apply with OSHA, EPA, and the DOT. So what happens is all these guys, see the general contractor, he doesn’t have any bond. Do you know how he gets his bond?
R** How?
R: The general contractor gets it all from the subcontractors. These are the subcontractors like all the vendors where he buys all his supplies.
K* Then they don’t need it?
The tape had a problem and a few words were garbled.
R: …….Then he files for bankruptcy and that now becomes the property of the general contractor. That’s his bond… that’s how they do it. But you see all these people that contract to do this kind of work, you see their credit is good all over with all the vendors. So they go in and charge up all the goods that they get to bring on the project and then when it’s over they file bankruptcy. But see they’ve charged up a lot more stuff then they need. They sell that on the black market. It’s nothing but lootin and plundering. They probably put all the substandard products in the projects and sell all the good stuff… line their pockets and then they file bankruptcy to let the general contractor close the contract. I know because I’ve signed bonds for people who needed to get paid and individual contractors did their work and don’t want to get into bankruptcy… they wanted their money.
K* So all these people building houses… all these people know how to do this?
R: The general contractor does, but the subcontractors really don’t. The subcontractors have got to shop around to get a bond to get paid. I had a guy call me one time and he asked me if I could help him obtain a bond because he said he was a subcontractor in a high rise building in Minneapolis. When he was through with his work he went to the paymaster and got his work certified. So the work was acceptable and certified and complete. The paymaster told him he was all clear that way except I can’t pay you until you go and get a bond. I think they suggested some places he could goes and this was insurance companies and whatever, but he finally told me they’re asking so much money for those bonds it didn’t pay him to take the bond up… he’d loose money on the project. That would be foolish….
K* Yeah!
R: So he asked me if I could help. I said, “Well I’ll go see if a friend of mine there who is an insurance adjustor and also an underwriter for Lloyds of London.” We went to his office and he pulled up three bond forms on what they use and we selected one of them and we read it and thought… okay I can live with those conditions. So I just took that and signed the bond for him and put it in the hands of attorney he had that he sent up to Fargo to get it and it was a female. She took it down to him and he took it down to the paymaster the next day and he laid it down and he walked out of their with his check for $216,000 in 30 minutes.
K* They know there is no screwing around when you cut to the chase!
R: Yeah! So you see when they’re talking about union, you see when they give their State of the Union address?…. That implies that the state belongs to the union. State of the Union. Okay?
K* Okay.
R: Which state is that?…
K* State of bankruptcy? State of Emergency?…
R: Yeah… state of the arc… state of mind…
K* Yeah it’s like when the only time they ever said anything in all those little talks to the judge they told me one time, “you wrote an out of state check.” I didn’t say anything. I just kind of bobbled my head around and mumbled something like right.
R** Holy cow looks like we’re willing to use the language.
K* Did B* send you that article Woe Unto You Lawyers and Judges. Telling about how the whole hypnotism of the language.
R: I haven’t read it but there’s quite a lot of stuff that I haven’t read. I just try to hit the stuff that’s serious. I’m lucky if I can keep up with that even. I always put it away and hope that someday I’ll be able to get into it.
R** Well I spent 27 years going in the wrong direction and I don’t mind spending going the next 27 going in the right direction. (laughter) And when I talk about spent that was a total lost effort.
R: Yep! Well do you get the feeling of ‘I’ve been here before’? Hey that’s familiar. I went by that guide post one other time.
R** Yeah but you have taught me a lot scripturally… I use to get blown away by the I didn’t come to destroy the law and the law was killing me. But I didn’t understand that I’m under grace. I didn’t need that stuff.
K* Boy we sure are grateful that you helped us do a 180.
R: Oh… chuckles… well now you got to tell that lawyer… you’ve got to do that 180… that’s that reversing entry. Has anybody out there gathered up an intermediate accounting book yet?
K* Yeah there’s one right here on this desk. I have one in storage. I read a little bit about the accrual accounting. I don’t have it in front of me right now.
R: Well the one I have it runs about from page 72 or so up to about page 96. We had different text books here but right in that area is where you find the closing and … the closing and the reversing entries. It spells it out pretty clear.
R** Well I have Accounting for Dummies… and I started reading it and you have to be tuned in to the secret languages that these (bleep) use. They don’t put down the secret languages. Those are the unwritten laws I guess that they using against us…
R: That’s the accruals…
R** You know I found accrual accruing 40 times in the New Testament. How about that? So it isn’t something that just came down the pike a couple weeks ago.
K* So that information always follows in the 70’s to the 90’s in the accounting book?
R: It seems to in the ones I’ve looked at. You go in the book until you find Closings or Adjustments. Adjustments will read you the closings in the next page or two. Then after the Closing – Reversing Entry.
R** Okay… Well I know when they told me I didn’t know the language and they weren’t going to tell me what the language was I didn’t figure there was much point in going on through the book.
R: No. Not that. I just left it in. The reason I use it sometimes is when these guys would come making their claims, I would just quote right out of the text books and belittle them that they are so ignorant that they didn’t know their own trade.
Yeah I had a lady call today you know one of these smart ass collectors I guess. She gets going and I said, “No I’m not going to give my name.” I said, “You people don’t even deserve to call my phone, the privilege of calling on this.” Oh she gets into a huff puff attitude so I said, “ Okay, let me talk to your pimp then!” I think it was getting to be a shouting match. I think she heard what I said and asked me to repeat what I said. I said, “I want to talk to your pimp!” Then she just started shrieking, “I don’t have a pimp… bla bla bla!” That really got to her. Chuckling..,
K* A woman from the church called me the other day and they were looking for K* J* and I don’t know how she got the number unless I gave it out over a year ago. Anyway I asked her, “What’s this regarding?” She said, “It’s a civil matter.” I said, “Whose business is it?” and asked some other questions and this attorney came on the line and said, “I’m not going to set here and keep answering questions for you unless you tell me your name.” Then I just kept asking him questions and he just clicked off the phone but I did have him all frustrated and emotional in it.
R: Yeah! … laughter Well the other thing is the minute they refuse to answer… that’s a dishonor. When they do that you just tell them, “Well since you insist on being in dishonor that is cause for me to request discovery of you personal assets and the assets of the title of which you operate under and also the ex-officio title. That is now cause for me to seek discovery of these assets and any property that you may control.” That’s private property now because there is a command dishonor.
K* It’s pretty for real that any body that gets their fingers next to your account is pretty damn vulnerable!…
R: Yeah! And I think now that we need to start doing it… start pushing it.
K* Being nice isn’t going to get us there.
R: You got a good start there with that building you see. You got quiet a number of people mixed up in it and all these people …. They’ve not redeemed the debt. They are public property.
K* Yeah! Yeah! You straightened me out last time and I appreciate it a lot cause I was having a problem with my conscience but they are just feeding the beast is basically how I got it in my mind when I started to write this thing.
R: Yeah. Until those people confront the issue and redeem the debt we don’t have any obligation to them. You’re not going to be opposed to that if it ever happens.
K* Yeah they can write me a private check if they wise up and it ever happens and they can go live somewhere else and keep playing bribe games if that’s what they want to do I guess.
R: And you see, what you’re doing you are just telling them to send their check to a different manager who is not an unjust steward, one who is not absconding with the funds of the owner. And who is mis-directing or diverting the funds of the owner into the hands of the unauthorized Confederates.
R** Carpetbaggers…
K* Well there time is going to come and Oh Man! Our creator has got to be smiling at you my friend!
R** Well he said the blinders will come off some day and some of us still need to wear sunglasses…
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There is a part 2 to this conversation. This is the first hour! 2nd part to follow next week.
August 17th, 2002 Part 2
Conversation going on with Roger and two men K* and R**
K* We’ve got some rolling stock here…
R: …. (some lost from tape) you offered back here cause it’s pre-paid. You can have my
share of the stock. Yeah I want the holding stock, you can have the shadow. Chuckling … you can have the liabilities
R** K* wrote one on my board here. I’ve got a white board in my living room and it says, Your contract in itself is the only thing of any value.
K* Yeah I was just quoting you. … I like this one up here that I wrote that says, I Prey for Closure.
R: Yeah!
K* P r e y (chuckles)
R** How did your paper that went to the Minnesota Sec of State go? I understand you sent about 14 pages down and they would eventually end up with Colin Powell. Did you ever have to go that far with it?
R: Wellll… that one, no! I laid out what needs to be done …… well some of that is still up in the air.
R** Well there is no pie in the sky…. Nothing happens overnight. It seems they can make these happen overnight, which nobody is ever prepared for and try to figure your way out of their damn snares….
R: Yeah. Well you see when you file and you need to file either with your own non-standard forms. Or what you ought to do is get a form and draw it out and put in pretty much the same as the one they use except it’s very obvious that this is hand drawn… Use that to file. It’s very obvious now so they can’t work on the assumption with that because it is a non-standard form.
K* Because if you go in with their form you’re going in with their agreement?
R: Right. So now what you want to do is if you file that way it requires the debtors signature. But you see since you are the debtors authorized signature you can sign for yourself and for your debtor and you can also sign for the business organization, which is the other (guard(?).
K* So we can sign it for anybody?
R: Yeah… well basically on the one’s here in Minnesota there are three signature lines,… One for the debtor, the other for the business organization and one for the secured party. You can sign on all three of them. A separate signature for each one. Okay but that’s why I’m saying here that you need to list your straw man as the debtor then all of the controversy is put into the property section. In there is when you instruct the Sec of State to call upon the powers available to him or her to compel the delinquent parties to do their duties. That means the business organization might mean some attorneys or someone else who is a creditor of the straw man, that means it is the creditor that is delinquent. That is the one, if you spell that out to the Secretary of State, who has the obligation to call upon the powers available to the Secretary of State to compel those delinquent powers to discharge their duties.
K* Okay!
R** Regardless of who that might be…?
R: Right! Okay now there is a place down there for assignment. That’s where you put the Secretary of State’s name and that is an assignment to the Secretary of State to compel those people to do their duties. Now you go ahead and file it and that file becomes an order to the Sec of State because that Sec of State is the registered agent of that person at that time. Registered by virtue of that title. Now they are probably not going to do anything about it. Now you see the National Form comes on because now the Sec of State due to that filing now becomes a debtor to that obligation. So now you list the Sec of State as the debtor on the national form. Okay now on the National Form it doesn’t require the signature of the debtor. On the now you list Colin Powell or Norman Mineta or somebody there who has the obligation to order the remedy. Now Norm Mineta is the Secretary of Transportation. He’s got authority to order that action too. So you see that’s how you have to use it. Now I know that most of these states say they only use the national forms now. ‘They’ only use the national form there because they don’t want the other side of the jurisdiction up in there…. But you see now you’ve got the state and the United States together and what they wanted you to do was assume the things that the state said you couldn’t use a fact to offset their presumptions.
K* So they are just going to say it like a decoy to try to prevent us from doing it or using it…
R: Oh yeah that’s all it is. They just want to act in their ex-officio capacity and they don’t take any responsibility for anything. What that does is it allows all their confederates to loot and plunder everything. So they’re all thieves---Every last one of them.
K* Sometimes I wonder if we… even if we go through all these channels and do everything all perfect and they are such liars whose to say that right when it’s time for closure that they’re going to do some other cute shit and carry it on again … I know they are going to.
R: Well here’s the thing -- You see they are not going to do it willingly, they are going to do it for fear of going to jail or loosing their own property. They aren’t ever going to do anything out of virtue. Cause there is no virtue in them. They may think there is but there isn’t. If you guys say the movie, B* sent me a copy of it…the one with Robert Redford…
R** Oh yeah, Brubaker.
R: That shows you see even the lady in there holding herself to be self-righteous and sanctimonious. He finally let her know her real sympathies were with the extortionists.
R** Well I thought it was kind of neat when he challenged that contractor about not sending more slave labor over to him. The guy goes, “Oh No! It’s not like that. We’ve been doing this for a hundred years.” But see what’d they do?… they replaced him with someone that was going to go back to the same ole show.
R: Oh yeah!
R** Yeah that was based on a true story.
R: Yep! I’ve seen it in operation. Yep I know. They’ve even arrested some of the guys that use to work at the prison, but you see whenever they would haul stuff out to the dump, these guys would go back out there that night or the next day would make a call on the city dump and pick up the stuff that was dropped off.
K* And re-sell it or…
R: Yeah they busted a couple of them for that.
K* It would be nice to see what’s going to happen when we pin one of these attorneys like you’re saying and see how the rest are going to respond then. If they’re going to back off and let us use our checks or if they’re going to think twice about it or do you think they’ll even know?
R: Probably not. But you’ve got a chance to press them to the wire right now with what you’re doing.
K* Good! Thanks for equipping me to be able to do that.
R** Well I guess you’ve got what you were looking for then huh K*?
K* Yeah plus I just wanted to say hello and if there is anything we can ever do for you R just let us know….
R: Yeah I appreciate you people too. Just keep on keeping on! (Chuckles)
R** I’ve given B* some video’s that I guess she’s sent your way. One was titled Snitches and it was shown on Front Line expose’. This is where they had this kid for some marijuana and they made him turn in 15 of his friends. See what nobody understands is they are trying to generate 15 new accounts… Chuckling.
R: Yeah! Oh yeah!
R** Then there was another one called An Ordinary Crime where they railroaded a black kid into prison for 38 years for something he didn’t do and it was proven. That one was really quiet interesting because it showed the entire corruption of the whole damn system. Even the police dept. were at odds with that one.
K* R you were saying a little earlier where this gentlemen went to court and requested the appearance bond in court verbally to the judge… is that true?
R: Where? To the one in Texas?
K* Yeah! Yeah! Yeah!
R: No I think what he was looking for was the assessment?
K* Oh! Okay. I thought that somebody had asked or requested the appearance bond to the judge and I wasn’t clear if that was over the phone or in person.
R: I would suspect he would have covered that but it wasn’t the prime focus and it wasn’t necessary in this case.
K* Okay! Okay! He just wanted the assessment cause that would show who the felon is?
R: Sure, and that would actually be the bond too.
R** Yeah I was just going to say the assessment and the bond seem to be synonymous.
R: Yeah!
K* The lien is the release of the lien as you would say.
R: Yeah you see and the judge when he makes his conclusions of law… the findings of facts and conclusions of law, that’s going to condemn the attorney and that’s why he didn’t want to do that. Because he would have had to sum up the case right there. And if this guy is pleading guilty for willful failure to file that means that they would have the facts in the case that they didn’t have an assessment. That they had created an assessment with a criminal charge.
K* So what do they do? They kept it in suspense?
R: Well he ordered them out of the courtroom and told them to settle….
K* Oh yeah! Yeah! Yeah!
R** Did they ever come to a conclusion?
R: Naw! I was gone before they got any farther. So what this guy needed to do was get a disciplinary complaint on that attorney immediately. They were a little slow on that. They were thinking they could find some easier way…. But that’s what they needed to do to make damn sure that this guy didn’t get loose on them again. I don’t know! I haven’t been back in touch with them to get the final outcome. The people that might know are hard to get hold of. I’ll probably know some day I’ll get a run down on it but I don’t know this day.
K* Well it’s nice to know a bit about it but it’s pretty much there business anyway. It just makes knowing about others more interesting and fun when your doing things too…
R: Yeah! Yeah!
R** Did J* come up with anything stimulating while you were there?
R: Well you see what he was doing enabled me to get in and get a grip on this business of these bankruptcies. That’s actually where I could see it developed. These guys when they file bankruptcy… the fellow that I went down there with that J* has known before he’s gone through these bankruptcies with a lot of farmers. That’s mainly where his interests have been. But you see the farmers traditionally filed bankruptcy to keep them from taking the property. Then while they were doing that he would apply the administrative procedures act…. in bankruptcy. Well they have a forum now … a court, a bankruptcy court to where they can compel these attorneys to do certain things. So that’s where he made all of that stick. And then you see he made the recommendations to this guy that the first thing you do is file a motion to dismiss. Now that seems to be pretty separated when you’re looking at all your property going down the road and your hide going to jail. But that had a lot more weight in that circumstance then you might realize because he said that he’s willing to plead guilty to the willful failure to file the 7203 so that takes it away from the judge so he can’t even assume to set up a trial.
K* Cause he has no part if there is no dispute, right?
R: Right! There is nothing in dispute if he’s going to plead guilty. So now you’ve got a motion to dismiss in, the judge has got to come up with the finding of facts and conclusions of law and that’s what they’re telling him here is you can’t actually take the plea until that is in. You have to act on this motion to dismiss. The finding of facts and conclusions of law are less then and is going to enable him if he doesn’t want to dismiss or is going to deny it, he still has to come with his finding of facts and conclusions of law. Otherwise that becomes a claim he’s made and he’s committed a felony just as well as what you’re accusing the original attorney of.
K* Boy they don’t want to get near any of that!
R: So you see that has some pretty hefty and far reaching implications. And you see the attorneys cover it up because they just keep standing their ground until they come down and make a squeeze play on you just before they see the judge on the next appearance.
K* Okay… steer clear of that.
R: Okay so you see, that’s when they make the squeeze play on you so you want to be prepared for that. See the thing is if he wants to make a settlement then make sure you ask… “Where’s your check?” He ain’t got no check… he don’t have an assessment in fact!
R** If they were ever to produce that check, what do you do sign it over to them?
R: I’d go spend it! (laughter) Yeah I would. Case closed now! There is no controversy. It’s got his name on it.
K* Charge created in my name so it must belong to me!
R: That’s right! Nobody else’s business.
K* Right! Yeah the IRS got pretty quiet. They sent me a letter asking how much money did I make and I sent them an answer back saying it was none of their business. They sent me a thing back saying, said they show I made $XX,000. I didn’t have a self addressed envelope in it so the more I thought about it I didn’t do anything about it. I just ignored it.
R: Well write to them and ask them where is the Certificate of Origin is for the assessment. Yeah… start pressing them.
K* Okay!
R: Yeah you just tell them either drop the charge or it’s cause for me to start discovery of your assets that you control individually, in your official title and your ex-officio title.
K* The interesting thing is, they have never sent me a money order. They want me to tell them how much money I made but they don’t want to say much they got…
R: Well you ask them for the assessment….
K* Yeah! Ya!
R: And tell them, they either dismiss the charge or you request the finding of fact and the conclusion of law as… aw… awe… well what did they say you owe the money for?
K* They didn’t say I owe the money. They asked how much money did you make in the year 2000 from Vivitar (some company name) and I said: None of your business and sent it back. Then they sent me something back and said: This is how much money you made.
R: Then I would write back and ask them for the Certificate of Origin of the assessment.
K* Yeah I like that. That’s right to it.
R: Yeah and the other thing too is you tell them I did not find your check enclosed. You put that with it because you see he can’t prove it in fact that he has an assessment unless the check is there because he’s a foreigner. You see and in the local community there isn’t any money. So he better give you the check.
R** Well I’m afraid that one of these day’s they’re going to do like you. They’re going to have a box there and they’re going to stick your check in it.
R: Oh okay good! Then I can go and party a little. Soon as the check comes make sure you cash it as soon as you can and go spend it. Don’t leave it where they can get their grubby fingers on it.
K* I did order that engine I wanted but I didn’t know the exact amount of shipping and they sent me a money order back so I sent them a check back. I’m hoping it’s going to come but…
R: Did you write EFT only on the face of the check?
K* Yes I did! And wrote to the dept of treasury pre-paid exchange. Account number, Certificate of Origin, and the order number. It was a bit much but I really want them to ship this $6,000 worth of stuff. Well I guess I don’t need to disclose any more stuff…
R: No it’s not necessary. I really think that some of the reasons these checks don’t work are because a lot of these corporations had not been incorporated. You see because what the attorneys have done is they have faked it. So lots of these are just fake shells. They are handling property but only if they can reorder them from some legitimate vender. I’m sure that is why a lot of the checks don’t work is because the corporation or the alleged corporate. See what the check does is it takes care of a corporate liability. But they don’t even recognize having any liabilities because they are all hoodlums and thieves.
K* Wow!
R: Yeah and you can start to belittle them too when they call you on the phone you can ask them, “Who is the attorney that did your corporate registrations?” (laughter)
K* Yeah! Someone called me a couple of weeks ago and I told them they had a claim against me and I told them they were a foreigner cause he identified himself as an attorney and he thought I was getting racist on him or something and he got all excited. I told him, “you give up your citizenship when you got your bar card, Pal. I know there is no money ---you know there is no money, so what do you want?”
R** What did he say?
K* Well he was pretty much tripping all over himself at that point. Then he says, “Well we have a claim.” So I told him, “K* J* is bankrupt so please provide me the product of your offer without cost to me immediately.” Then he just went silent so I hung up on him.
R: Yeah! Yeah! Yeah!
K* Actually I want phone calls. Then maybe we can get closure. If we keep avoiding these phone calls then they just get escalated. I might as well just set it off.
R: Yep! You see they get the fish in here then we just say… “Where is your assessment? How much is it?” Then he’s going to tell you, “Well it was on that paper I sent you.” “Yeah but sir, I didn’t find your check here so you still can’t prove a claim here in fact.” It’s still bs!
K* Yeah…. You’re in sin city pal!
R: You got to put the e on the word sin. Make it sine…. ( Laughter).. You got to get them electrons in there.
K* Right! Without my agreement you’ve got nothing!
R** Well I was amazed along time ago when the Supreme Court said, Nobody is in our prisons except those who consent to be there. I never could figure out how that could be. I never understood how that worked.
R: Well I guess a lot of these attorneys are applying for membership.
K* Membership?
R: Yeah! They want to become a member of that prison community. (laughter)
K* I like in the Wizard of OZ when that guy was suppose to go home in the balloon, and they dropped the bags off and Dorothy said, “Come back, come back!” and he said, “I can’t I don’t know how this works.” Well I guess we could of always gone home. We just had to see it for ourselves to believe it.
R: Yep! Yep!
K* Gosh R we’ve taken up so much of your afternoon I guess we should be letting you go to work on some of your own stuff… we appreciate
R: Well I’ll be interested in seeing what happens with what you’re doing. Sounds like it’s getting interesting.
K* Yeah I’ll go over that letter again and correct what we talked about….
R: Yeah see this business J* is involved with in Texas is somewhat the same because this group of doctors have got to take over that hospital. See they were dispossessed of their ownership in it from before. But see now being these attorneys that moved in there and assuming these assessments they all have to do with tax assessments you see. So it’s relatively a lot of the same stuff that you’re moving on in that apt bldg.
K* Well these attorneys best be getting these prisons set up nice for all the things they enjoy… laughing.
R: Yep! I think we need some more! (more laughter)
R** Nothing wrong with us building one for them is there?
K* We’ll even let them fund it…
R** Yeah we’ll just check with the army corp. of engineers see if they won’t give us some backing.
K* We’ve got all these crooked doctors, lawyers and foreign agent here screwing up our country. Lets lock them up huh?
R: Humhum… They’re all volunteering for it.
K* They’re contracting! They’ve got to be baffled because we’re really kind of dead and alive at the same time. Do you think they get it that we’re kind of dead and alive at the same time?
R: Oh I don’t think so.
R** Seems like everybody is coming to America for a JOB. (JOB is pronounced like the biblical)
R: Yeah well. They don’t like American methods in the rest of the world.
K* Cause they know what the state is doing to us is that why?
R: Well it’s doing it to them too.
R** Well I think governments all over must know what this game is all about…
R: Oh sure they do.
K* Yeah but we lend money to all of them so we’re all one right?
R: Yeah… we’re all debtors. But you see because United States has (lost in the tape changing)
Well you offered back here and it’s prepaid. You can have my share of the stock. I want the rolling stock you can have the shadow. – You can have the liabilities.
R** R it’s been fun! Other good byes etc.