** Hi, it’s B* in LA.  You’re a tough one to catch up to….  Chuckling
R: Yes I know!  I just got in from the field and was going to give you a call.   I got your message that you left earlier.
** Well I wanted to clear up some things.  We’ve got a lot of persistent activity where the people have hung in there and by gosh I think they are going to preserver.   I think I told you about the lady getting $63,000 plus from IRS for paying them twice, for lack of not knowing what else to do when they sent her another bill.  Then of course we’ve got our shopper who is just working this system to the max.  She just went and got groceries and they knew it was a closed account but she just hung in there and left with her groceries after about 25 to 30 minutes.  The average person would have probably left.
Also the lady that paid off her house and she got the reconveyance deed and the mortgage saying it is paid off, well they are suing her on a “Quiet title action”.
R: They’re suing her or she’s suing them?
** They’re suing her.
R: Well it isn’t very quiet if everybody knows about it….. chuckling.
** Right!  These attorney scoundrels are some nervous guys by the way their paperwork looks.  They are calling her a cross-defendant.  They have lots of errors in the paperwork.   My question is if she is going to do a summary judgment is there a form that you know about or is this a motion or does it really matter?    We were laughing because they called her a cross-defendant… she’s saying what is a cross-defendant…
R: She could ask… What is a defendant?  I’m an offender… chuckling
** What she’s planning on doing is accepting all the documents served on her and ask for their bonds and do a summary judgment.
R: Yeah if you get something together asking for the Affidavit of Surety and the person responsible for the deductible… an… a…
** Oh our brain cell is on top of that.  He put together several letters so we’ll have the language.  He may have gotten some clues from the place where he works they use something like the surety bonds.    He puts together some pretty good letters…. Those kind that say a lot in few words…
R: Yeah! Yeah! Yeah!
** And then I finally deposited the collection letter that I got from Franchise Tax Board in the bank through the ATM depositing it as a documentary draft or money order for $41,303.14, cause Washington Mutual tried to levy my bank account.   What I did was I wrote on the face of it … See over for instruction.  Then on the back I wrote:  Dear Washington Mutual Collectors: Thank you for being the collectors for State of California Franchise Tax Board.  Please present this for collection and charge account, then I put my account number.  Request the check be made payable to JANE C. DOE and Washington Mutual, my fiduciary.  Please have the check sent to, then I put my address, for endorsement so it can be deposited.  I signed my name, employer ID and dated it.  I went and deposited it in the ATM machine and got a receipt.  A couple of days later they sent me a little notice telling me that $4,900 was available and the other $36,404.14 or whatever would be available in like 10 days.  And of course I went over there and tried to pull some out of the ATM but it wouldn’t release it.  Well today, which is one of the reasons why I called, I got a notice from them that they had adjusted my account and zeroed that deposit.  Reason: the envelope was empty.   They are not only dishonorers but they are liars.
R: When you tap into the ATM does that give you a receipt of the deposit?
** Oh yeah.  I have a receipt for that.
R: See thier business of talking about the envelope being empty and bla bla bla.  See they’ve acknowledged getting it and they can’t …
** They fell right in the trap.  They are now saying, testifying against themselves, that there were no charges and what that money order was had no value but yet they were trying to extort from me…
R: Sure… yeah there was a charge in there and they took it out!  Chuckles
** Well I was thinking they were the collectors by their own admittance from what they did.   I thanked them for being the collectors…to collect from the Franchise Tax Board and told them please present this for collection…to the Franchise Tax Board.
R: Okay, well that’s good.  Because right now see I’m beginning to see some of this scam they’re running when they send these collectors out threatening collection and if they don’t send me an envelope that they’re paying the postage, I just throw it in the trash.
** Oh!  What I do is just cross off my name and address and write:  Accepted for Value, returned for value in Exchange.  Then I just do an arrow to the return address and write Tax return.  I kind of think this is fun!  Sometimes I use the labels at the post office and stick it over my name on some of those window envelopes.
R: See I’m not going to play that game with them anymore.   I just let them send it in to the court clerk and get a judgment.  They get a judgment against me.  But you see it’s in favor of … say like Liberty Finance Co. or whatever it is.  See I just got one … let me take a look, I’ll tell you exactly.  Liberty Credit Services.  Case # so and so, state of Minnesota county of record.  Notice of docketing of judgment.  You are hereby notified that a judgment was entered on June 28, 2002 in favor of Liberty Credit Services Inc and against R** E** in all caps see?
** Humhum… humhum
R: … and was dually docketed on July 26th, at 2:35 pm and the amount of $2563.17 costs and interests will accrue on this account from date of entry until judgment is satisfied in full.   True and correct copy of this notice has been served by mail upon the party(s) named herein at the last know party of each, pursuant to Minnesota Rules of Civil Procedure.   Well see what I’m going to do then is I’m going to just request that they pay up on the judgment and make it payable to me.   And I think it’s probably time to place it on a UCC1.
** I wondered about that too.  At what stage do you put it on the UCC1 that you are claiming or accepting their claim and now it’s your claim.  Also, like when you are making the Sec of State the assignee and what if the state has not ever filed or should I say don’t acknowledge they filed your UCC1’s?
R: Well send it in again.
** Oh I’ve sent it in with closed account, open account, money order, even used my alias names and they still won’t file it for me.  Now a bunch of people have gotten them filed but it is like a crap shoot on will it or won’t it get filed….
R: Okay then you see… what we need to do is once we go through it twice.  In other words, once we get them into dishonor we need to start tying down there bond in their official capacity and in their ex-official capacity.  And I think the 2nd time and probably even the first time they do this we send it in for filing again and at the same time ask them for the bond information.   The Surety Bond and who is responsible for the deductible.  We want the name of their limited liability carrier.
** Okay.
R: See because there can not be a settlement unless both the limited liability… see the limited liability policy is not eligible to make full settlement.  Neither is the individual who has the deductible.  It takes the deduction and the limited liability policy both to make 100% settlement.  So you see what they’re doing when they are refusing these filings and they state we are only going to take the National Form…
** Yeah!
R: Well the National Form, I think, when we file the notice and file them in bankruptcy, those forms don’t have the provisions for the assignees or anything.
** Oh guess what… it does.  After talking to you once before and you were talking about the assignee being the Sec of State and I couldn’t find it but lo and behold at one of our meeting we had all the different forms from the old to the new and there it was in a little line just above the Secured Party.  It is there and I can’t believe we looked so hard but I guess we didn’t know what we were looking for so you just circle it.
R: Oh!  Okay!  Then I was right to start with.
** Yeah!  Exactly.  Once we found it, it all came clear.
R: Okay that’s what they are trying to hide.  You see what they are trying to do is get you to by pass the evidence and just go straight into the national bankruptcy which is the equity… or the insurance.
** Did you get a chance to read through some of that stuff I sent you last time with the bc talking to the Canadians?   He’s got such a good grasp and ties some of the things you’ve told us a couple years ago, he still remembers it and knows how to tie it in.   I’m always amazed when he knows so many answers and he’ll start quoting you or relate it to one of your analogies….   It’s fun and some of the people that haven’t been exposed to all your analogies are totally lost and it’s hard to try to bring them up to speed when it feels like I’ve know these concepts all my life.  It’s hard to explain their thinking to the ‘new’ thinking…. Chuckles
R: Well I went through it.  I didn’t read it that close but didn’t have any dispute with any of it.   I’m just starting to clean up my place here a little so I can put my hands on things.   I’m having a little workshop with some of the Canadians on Friday….
** That’s another reason I called to see if I could twist your arm and see if I could get you to come out here for my workshop scheduled for the 17th of August.   I thought it would be a nice surprise for those studying your concepts.  We were going to do a little role-playing and do some situations so people are not totally at a loss when they go to court.  Take the fear out of all the brain washing they have had.  Oh, I do have a fun story to share about this guy who is back in Indiana and he is totally naïve about the court system and was sued regarding a credit card.  Since I didn’t know how much he could understand at such late notice of helping I just told him… Any one who asks you questions or tells you to do something, just ask them their name, then ask them if they have a claim, etc.  And if they do act like they are going to take him into custody tell them that he is not disputing any of the charges.   Well he went to court and was waiting in the court when some clerk comes in and tells him he has a phone call.  He goes out and answers the phone outside the court room and it turns out it is the attorney for this bank that is suing him.  He did very well in answering him with a question instead of answering the attorneys questions and tells the attorney he is not disputing facts and then hangs up on the guy because the guy start talking to him with threats.  Then he goes back in the court room is waiting in the courtroom at this point by himself when the judge comes back in and asks, “Who are you?” and he asks the judge his name.  The judge was a little confused about what was happening.  He asked him what he was doing there and the guy said, “Do you have the charging instrument there?  What does it say.”  The judge left the courtroom again and pretty soon a court reporter comes in and start asking him questions and he asks her name and if she had a claim.  Finally the court reporter tells him to leave the courthouse.  He ends up going to a cafeteria for something to drink and the court reporter followed him and then sort of escorts him out of the building.  I think he did really good compared to those who want to challenge because he is a real gentle speaking guy and doesn’t sound or have the manner of being threatening.  In about 3 or 4 days he is going to check and see what is on the docket.
R:  chuckling….
** I told him his purpose for all of this is closure.   If he gets anything else from them let me know.  I can just see him setting in the courtroom waiting for the activity that he was preparing for.
R: Yeah!
** Oh I talked to R* Y* and he said he talked to you about doing something through the Bishop… am I missing something?
R: Well it’s not here that we’re getting other activities.  But you see what those guys are up against… see, all of the rules, if you want to state it that way, are suspended and that’s what happened when they suspended the habeas corpus.  But it all falls under the canon law..… and it is the Cardinals and the Bishops that are responsible for that.    I think that people need to start directing their wrath at them.
** Might as well.  That’s there MO when someone is down that is the best time to attack them.
R: Yeah!  These are the guys that are responsible for the methods that they use when they are in secret…. because these are the ones that regulate the conduct of these guys that are here in these secret proceedings.   It’s all part of the core of engineers again.
** Oh we were sort of guessing that maybe it has to do with the fore and aft you know like the way the hat is or maybe the two shops, like bi shop.
R: Well yeah… that’s what they’re doing.  See they are not balancing the account right and left they’re balancing it fore and aft.   Debit… fore and aft.
** Oh!  What would it be otherwise?… like debits minus credits or vise versa…?
R: It could be a credit and a debit and probably they don’t use the same terminology but you see it all reaches the axis.  In other words ground zero is the axis but you see you can go through ground zero left and right and fore and aft, which those are both vertical references except when you are traveling horizontally you see, then of course it is not moving vertical.   So they have to have a plane for which they function and … well you see the Bishops, I think, would actually all be equivalent to British.  Although it’s not British it would be Roman.  Maybe that’s what it is…. Maybe the Romans are the internal representation that would represent the British in that respect where the Cardinals would be those that run the bar association.
** Interesting!  Someone just sent me something.  Lets see if I can get this straight.  It was something about the word Anglo-Saxon being crooked because the word ‘angle’ and some word ‘yoshee’ a Jewish word that means straight.  Something like that.   It probably doesn’t pertain to what you’re saying.  I think it was the Anglo-Saxon and the Jews.
R: Well you see I suppose…
** Where did the catholic church originate?  Oh I guess it would be Rome or Italy… For some reason I think of it being from Greece.
R: Well the New Testament being written in Greek.  Because Greek is the language of chemistry.
** Oh… okay.   What is the Old Testament?  Is that the law… like mosaic law?
R: See the Jew simple means those that practice execution.  It’s by execution… see mosaic law is the length and width and breath of the commercial invoice.
** Oh right I forgot that.
R: When you’re talking about the Law of Moses you’re just talking about a commercial invoice and then after the law of Moses the rest of the Old Testament is just how to use it.  Then when you reach the New Testament and you see the Jewish use or executioner of the commercial invoice is by statute because it’s executed.  The statutes are dead!  So when we reach the New Testament, then you see the law passes away because we go into Grace.  We go into public policy!
** Oh that’s wonderful.   I love hearing how these flow.   Hey when you have your workshop there who is that going to be for?
R: We’re going to be discussing their checks out of a clearing house.   They’re doing their own thing up there….
** Our little C*, our shopper, well she went to Stater Bros., a grocery store and bought a bunch of groceries and gave them a check and they knew it was a closed account.  They told her, “Well we can’t take your check because we have some other checks of yours…” and she told them, “Well then put your dishonor in writing or give me my groceries.”   The gal at the register then went up stairs and later came down with another lady, probably her supervisor.  She couldn’t hear what they said but they kept asking for her driver license and she kept showing it to them.  The one gal went back upstairs and then after about another 10 minutes she came back down and they looked at something and she could hear the one say something like, “I’ve never seen anything like this.  I can’t believe it.”  Anyway after about 25 to 30 minutes she got her groceries and they knew it was on a closed account.
R: Yeah!  (Chuckling)
** Oh and another thing, she got a letter from Tele-check that says some of her checks have cleared.
R: Well we’ve had to cancel a couple of our get togethers so this time we’ll probably make it.
** Shucks I was really hoping this would be a good time of the year before the harvesting started that you could get away to come here.
R: Well sometime this winter it might be easier.  It’s even hard for me to slip away for these guys but being I have to take the whole day and do very little traveling.
** Hey have you heard anything back from Colin Powell?
R: No and I haven’t even had a chance to work on anything.  But there is another thing that is coming up.  I cut a piece out of the paper I’ll read to you a couple inserts.  I bought a couple of those co-op stocks.  They never did pay me the interest but I do have the certificates.  Anyway here’s what’s in the paper on the 27th.   Minnesota firms take time with SEC honesty statements.  This is the AP Minneapolis.  Minnesota largest companies are in no hurry to comply with a mandate requiring top executive to verify the accuracy of financial information but few have any qualms with the request.  As of Wednesday, few if any companies have filed the documents as most were preferring to wait until there quarterly earnings reports were due.  But several spokes persons said that the one page forms made sense.  “We’re more then willing and happy to do this,” said Lannie Jordon, a spokes woman for Synix Harvest.  That’s the one I bought the stock in.   It’s important to make sure financial results have the highest integrity having our CEO’s sign off on it is appropriate.  SEC chairman Harvey Pitt announced the requirement in June as a way to restore investor confidence following recent scandals involving Enron Corp., WorldCom Inc and other companies.  In an informal survey none of Minnesota’s largest public companies said there Chief Executives and Chief Financial Officers had filed the certificates.
** Ohhh!  Interesting!
R: The dead line for most companies is August 14th.  With later dates for companies whose fiscal years don’t follow the calendar year.  So these are calendar year filings…. And it’s the fiscal year that we’ve been after on some of these.
** I was just going to comment that there is some information on the internet about accrual accounting and how most companies are choosing to go by the calendar instead of fiscal filing…
R: Yes!  Yeah but that means they have to take personal responsibility.  So you see I’m not going to press real hard for any of these filing until after August 14th.   I’m going to let that date go by and then I’m going to start asking questions in the right place.  See if I don’t have any satisfaction and say like Synix Harvest goes beyond that date, I’m going to inquire to find out if they have signed the statements and then I’m going to find out why I do not have a settlement and if they have disclosed that in the account.
** Very clever… catch their bookkeeping errors.
R: When we start writing around and asking for the disclosure of the account and there’s got to be something wrong with it if I don’t get settlement.
** Right!  You know I think what a lot of these companies are doing, like when we order something or ask questions and they don’t want to deal with us, they loose the paperwork.  It’s like it goes into a black hole.
R: Yeah!  Okay well I’ll tell you how they are handling some of this.  How it’s working.   Once you take a look on how they handle options in the stock market.  You see these companies never have to take anything in on there books, say like they have their CEO’s and their employees and when they issue all their stock options as some of their incentives for their employment.  Say for instance a stock option… lets say I get an option,  you can buy it or they give them to you.  Lets say it is good for a year and lets say the stock is at $50 on the day they issue it and you have an option to buy at that price a year.  If the stock goes down you don’t have to buy it but if it goes up to $80 you can buy it at $50 and sell it immediately for $80.
** Okay.
R: If you actually bought that stock that would be the first bookkeeping that the corporation would have to do.   But here’s what really happens…  You go in and if that’s what you’re going to do is buy and sell the stock the same day.  What you do is you just sell the option.  Your broker takes the option, you get some money that you can spend and the corporation doesn’t have any involvement in it at all.  It’s purely the brokers in the market and it’s money that is created that doesn’t have any accountability.  No roots - no nothing.  This is the kind of money that goes in the hands of these jerks that goes into plundering our property.
** I use to have that kind of stock option when I worked at Sears.  They would match if we wanted to buy stocks.
R: That would be a partnership
** Yeah these CEO’s that’s all they do is loot and plunder the people so they can go buy power in Washington District of Criminals.  Oh have you been following that case with that guy accused of being one of the terrorists that wanted to plead guilty?  Did you notice how he wanted to plead guilty and they wouldn’t let him?  I was thinking these foreigners know more than our congressman, say like Trafficant.  They are victims of their own propaganda.   I thought of you when I was hearing the news.  I thought… this guy knows R’s redemption…. Chuckling…
R: Yeah!  Yeah!  I didn’t get a chance to watch all of it.
** Well they dropped most of the charges on him when he wanted to plead guilty.  This so blatantly proves what you’ve been saying.  The news keeps commenting on What is this Judge Doing?  But those of us in the know… we know!  They are cutting thier costs… chuckling
R: Yeah!  Yeah! Yah!  … laughing
** And here is poor Trafficant vowing that he is innocent and got 8 years.  Oh and another funny thing is you got Torticelli who did the same thing as Trafficant and the guy that gave Torticelli gifts etc is in prison… and Torticelli didn’t get so much as a hand slap….   go figure.  Talk about a political mess up.
R: … well we had a guy out here and the guy told the judge, well I’m pleading guilty and the judge said, “I can’t take your guilty plea.”
** Whoa… isn’t that interesting!  So what happened?
R: So they just keep right on trying to get some court activity.
** Oh did you hear K*, J* husband had all his tax charges and other charges all discharged?   He went in and told them he just wanted closure and wasn’t disputing any of the charges and sort of ranted about there being no money etc. and the judge just wanted to shut him up and told him, you’re going to get closure, I just have to go through certain procedures first.
R: Yeah I did talk to her.
** Did she ask you about getting the funds back from when she bailed him out of jail using the sight draft…?
R: No.  That didn’t come up but she should pursue that… She should just do a formal request of that.  oh yes definitely.
** She thought she should and also was wondering about doing anything about the time he lost in jail.  Anything on that?
R: Well…  I’d go after the funds first and get the rest of their lives in order before they tie into that too hard.
** Anything new about getting people out of jail?  Anybody you’re working with?
R: Nooo… not really.  Not right now.  Most of these guys are still up against it.
** You know the guy here in Taft he’s been writing letters and getting them back with responses.  I’m not sure about anything real recent but he is being persistent and now he can be requesting bonds etc.   Once he has a decent understanding he writes a pretty good letter.
R: See that’s why I pointed you in that direction with those options.  Because that’s the way these guys are handling the evidence that’s slipping around us here these proceedings.   It doesn’t bring the corporation in as a matter of evidence, see what they are doing is they’ve got these guys that are deliberately creating these diversions to keep us chasing shadows.  See most people are trying to nail the evidence down, so what they are doing is trying to nail the shadow down and you can’t do that.
** Right
R: That doesn’t work.  These guys are trained just to keep you busy in that area chasing that all the time.
** I know there are a lot of people that keep trying to bring in all this evidence and the evidence doesn’t really have anything to do with or you can’t tie it in to anything that is going on.
R: It’s just assumed.  That’s all these guys deal with… they just deal with shadows.  They use that to distract you and get you following the shadow.
** Oh that brings me to another point with the DMV.   The DMV keeps suspending peoples license for like back child support or not paying tickets even when you have accepted and returned them…  You think there is anything to make the DMV more accountable or that we can get a better performance out of them?… in our favor?
R: We need to find out the bond carrier… the carrier that’s carrying those people here in both of their capacities.  The official and the ex-officio capacity.
** So just start requesting the bonding company and that information when they dishonor us.  I know people that pay for the registration with the close account and they are not giving it to them, so we should push this a little harder and this would be a good break through.
R: Yah!  That’s the direction you’re going to have to go.  You’re going to have to… I think we need to do some work on getting letters that are specific in asking them for the information that they have to carry on themselves.  See give us the names of the carrier and one thing or another… otherwise they can’t operate their office.  I know, probably even in your group, people that know even in their past at least, specialized in some of those areas.  They would be capable of preparing a precise request.
** Oh bc prepared a pretty good one and I think he got some information from where he works.   I think with that and summary judgments we should be able to make some progress.
R: You see you sum up the conditions.  That’s what summary judgment is.  If you take a look at a brokerage statement… they have a sum Mary.  Now Mary, it’s either Mary Magdeline or its Mother Mary.
** Oh from the Cannon Law…  Now you were talking to the Canadians when you did a seminar up there and someone was talking about depositing something in their closed account.  You wouldn’t try to deposit in a closed account would you?
R: Well that’s what zeros it.  Well I’m not sure what those conversations were any more.  But you see we don’t care what’s in the account whether somebody is going to deposit something in so you can write a check on it.  Naw… see we’re taking the liability of a corporation and we’re saying that if you want to get rid of (exempt) the liability I’ll let you use my name and you can electronically transfer it into my account and that’s when the redemption occurs.   Redemption of that debt.
** Okay… now I’m starting to appreciate you when you sign off using, Until then I am, indicating that you are not your name.  You am that you am… so to speak… chuckling.
R: Right a.m…. in the morning and see that’s not Jewish.   Because Jewish is p.m.   That’s the Sabbath day.  See you have to divide, to get to the Sabbath day you have to divide the day from the night.  In other words that’s still part of a day, the night is but that’s the Jewish day …but it’s inverted.
But see that is the Sabbath day.  Now everybody thinks it’s got to be one seventh 1/7th but it’s not its one half ½ .
** Oh divided…
R: Yeah it’s divided in different way and I think the word asunder might describe that.  I think that might mean, like when you were going to sever the body, like the limbs of the body… I think the severing of asunder would be at the waist - horizontally.  But you see that is a different division it divides what’s above from that below.   That may be a term that may fit dividing the Jewish day from the Sabbath or the Sabbath from the Jewish day.  What is it they say, “You can’t do business on our Sabbath.”   Well isn’t that when we put stuff in the night deposit?
** Right…. In the night deposit.  Yeah I’m getting ready to put a letter together for the bank regarding the empty envelope.  The empty tomb!
R: Humhum… yeah he’s already risen.  So you see when they’re talking about suspension… well that means that he has risen…. From the tomb!
** Okay.
R: So it’s already on the way.
** My first thought was to go in the bank where they opened the deposits and give them a copy but then after I talked to bc and K* they both reminded me of the envelope is the tomb….
R: Yeah well you got to remember Nicekdeomus (phonetic spelled) picked up the body.
** Okay… Jesus’s body?
R: Yeah!  Isn’t that St. Nick?
** St. Nick… okay.
R: To redeem us…
** Oh… chuckle… Nick Redeem us.   Oh that’s true we use to wait for St. Nick to bring us something…
R: Well you see that comes on the silent night.
** There really is so many little subtle messages you wonder which came first…
R: Well see you mentioned that these people were getting their licenses suspended… when you go into court and the judge comes in, your honor comes in and the bailiff says, “All rise” well isn’t that suspension.  What they are doing is coming off the face of the earth and going to heaven.  Then he says, “Please be seated.”  Who gets seated?… in the mercy seat?
** Oh that’s usually the …the… county?… or merchant?
R: Well I’d say it’s the chairman of the board.  That’s who sits in the chair.
** Okay that would be the merchant.
R: Yeah that would be the same and it is probably the county seat or the power and the county seat is where they do the taxing.
** Right! …  all the municipals…  Another little question that just popped up regarding doing the address correction.  Is the only time we do that is for property parcels or would that be applicable for other situations?
R: Humhum
** We wouldn’t do them with court because you did it with court…
R: Well yeah but see those can relate directly to property.  See you don’t know what they’ve done.  I think, rather than the property in real estate and estates of our personal estates, I think we’re dealing mostly with the superfunds now anyway.  I’m convinced that most of the charges that they use to get their accounts charged are… they’re using the cemeteries.  Cause whenever say like, who issues a levy for instance, like the internal revenue.  But it’s some agencies too that they levy property.  Even the marshals I think do.
** Well the bank levied my bank account for franchise tax board…
R: Well see if they are levying they have to get… see the exemption comes from levy.  The property is exempt from levy.  Okay so what levy is that?  Well as soon as the bank does it for one thing or another then we know.  But now we need to find out.  We need to get the actual parcel number.  Because the key to some of this to help you track it down is that the Roman soldiers, after they executed Jesus on the cross, they cast lots for his robe.  In other words his robe was the commercial covering.
** Oh that’s what you were talking about that was seamless.
R: See they didn’t physically break it apart they cast lots for it.
** I’m thinking of doing one of these researches on an IRS or FTB master file to find out who is all using my name.   Apparently they have all these different codes that tie you in to drugs, alcohol or tobacco.   Do you think that would give us any clues?
R: Yeah they’re using your name.  We need to keep focused though on this business of what’s (Who) going along casting lots for his robe.  See lots….  Well when you’re referring to a cemetery you’re referring to a plot.
** Okay.  And a plot is a …
R: Conspiracy… But a lot is a city lot.  We think we have lots in the city but not out on the farm.
** I think farms and land are referred to acreage…
R: Acreage and tracts…  Well they use tracts in a city too I think.   So I think the lots, the casting lots for his robe, that’s indicating that this is the municipality.
** I may have to go spend a day or so at the County Recorder and the tax assessor to get some information on some of the parcels.  It’s been a while since I’ve done that.   I’d have to do a little recall.   At the seminar or workshop that I want to do next month is go over forms.  I remember you telling us a while back how you study forms and determine why do they want that information helps you focus on what they think is important and that gave you an incite in what they were trying to do.
R: Yep!  Well I think we’re getting close.  We’ve got some people that have been jailed for about or close to a year.  They’ve been at it and in one county and I’d say that in 3 weeks time they had them in court 9 times.
** I understand that according to his brother R* Y* is still in jail and they haven’t sent him to prison because of the involuntary bankruptcy.   And P*J* is finally located in Kentucky I think.
R: Well P*J* is smart enough to figure out just exactly how, when and where these operations are taking place.  Maybe we need someone like that to go through it.  Now I went through it but I didn’t know enough at that time to watch for everything.  But you see he’s been primed on a lot of it going in and these people are going to find out and it’s going to be real dangerous for them to stick people like that in because we’re going to figure out how that whole inside operation of theirs works.
** Oh I know and I just find it absolutely fascinating about the Muslim guy that wanted to plead guilty… does he know something?
R: He might!
** He’s defending himself in a foreign land…
R: Yeah.  I’d like to start watching more on that.  See the prison is filled with Muslims.  That’s probably the most dominant personality in the prison system today.
** Yeah the Muslims or Moors is how the ones I know refer to themselves.
R: Oh… I finally went and bought me a new Black Law dictionary… It’s a 7th edition.  What I was going to point out is go to page 1662… hold on and I’ll read it to you.  This is under legal maxims… what it says.  Neamal praesens nisi intelligat which means:  One is not present unless he understands.
** That’s kind of like my saying that I learned a long time ago when I worked in a bar and this guy said, “you know you can’t tell someone something unless they already know it.”  At the time I thought, boy is this guy drunk…. Can’t tell someone something unless they already know it… if they already know it why would you tell them.
R: Yeah!  Yeah!
** Gads I better let you go.  This has been a wonderful conversation and I’ll hold you to coming to a workshop this winter….
R: Chuckling… okay!   Oh something else you might want to consider when you file the UCC1… After they deny you on your first one what you can do is … see what they are doing is they are qualifying your filing and there are code sections within themselves state that they can’t do that.   See when you present it for filing it’s filed.  Then I would use the national form because now they are in dishonor and now you can take the filings that they dishonored an attach them on the national form and file them in there because now you see you can assign the account to Colin Powell who is ahead of the Emergency Management Enforcement team.
** What’s interesting is we do them exactly the same and some get filed and some do not.  It is a crap shoot or numbers game.  How do you get service out of these guys?
R: Just keep on hitting them with it.  But you see the thing is, you see, you have your own controversy and you’re requesting the filing officer of the Sec of State to file it.  When they don’t file it the first time, you say, “Okay I’ll accept your dishonor and now I’m requesting you file this without cost.”
** Okay I’ve done that one.
R: When they refuse to do it, then you see that is a dishonor not only in their official capacity but also in their ex-officio capacity and now you have them by their person.   Now is when you take that dishonor and place that whole filing on the national form and when you do that you list the Sec of State as the debtor because on the national form you don’t have to have the debtors signature.  One the first one you’re using your strawman as the debtor cause you can sign for him.   On the state form you can assign that particular action to the Sec of State.  List the Sec of State on their as the assignee and state it right in the body that they are assigned here to compel and to call upon the enforcement agencies at their disposal to compel these other people to do their duties.
** Right to do their duties.  Course the Secretary is certainly not leading by example.  To discharge their duties.
R: Yeah and if they fail to do it, now the next time they dishonor then you take Sec of State and put as debtor on the National form.  You don’t have to have their signature.
** and that’s when you send it to Washington at that point?
R: Yes.
** By the way.  One of the people that the FBI went to visit … I thought I’d share with you what happened.  They went to the FBI’s office and took along a witness which the FBI tried to resist allowing but did.  One of the tricks they played was doing a dividing line and saying this was the guy that was teaching them and that was a little spot and this was them and that was a big spot on this table and they had like a dividing line and wanted her to choose which side she wanted to be on.   She just told them she was not going to play games with them and got up and walked out.  I think she had already gone in by the time she got the information to tell them they were liars about the 1099 OID.
This is trying to play the mind games of implying they are big and powerful.
R: Well I had a guy call me the other day and he told me he was from the Canadian Customs and he had a check for $30,000 made out to me but I’d have to come to the border to get it and I’d have to insure it.  “Well I’d have to think about it,”  I told him.  “I think I’ll come up to the border, but I’m going to go and get my step son to come with me because he’s the chief of police down here.”  I could tell that the guy didn’t want to hear that.  So then I said, “Why don’t you just take the check… you go ahead and spend it….(chuckles)…   otherwise just send it to me in the mail.”
** Was it from a merchant or did he say?
R: He just said it was from a lottery company.  I told him. “Naw… go spend it yourself Buddy.”
** Especially if you didn’t buy a lottery ticket.
R: I just got a letter from the Republicans and I think I’m going to give them a donation, a check because they are also asking for some statements as to why we do and don’t do certain things so I’m going to use that as an opportunity to catch their ear.  I’m going to sic them after these irresponsible CEO and accountants.
** Good idea!
   Chit chat and then good byes.