**   Some small chit chat before I asked R if we could add another person into the call who had a problem because he was arrested and a family member bailed him out.
** Oh before we do that, I’ve got to tell you something else that is really exciting.  This guy that you talked to from Hawaii has a friend that is the president of a big bank and he asked this guy if the closed account has any value.  The bank president said, “yes it does.”  He asked him then if it is a pre-paid account if we use it to pay for items if it creates a tax exemption for the merchant you wrote the check to.  The banker said, “You are absolutely right on… I see you’ve been studying.”
So I guess we’ve had another opinion you are right as usual!
R: chuckles
** One more thing before we bring this guy on line is I went over to open a bank account since the State Tax has levied my other bank account and when I was signing the papers I noticed on one of the places to sign it had something like:   I am aware the Internal Revenue Service does not need a court order to investigate this account.  Well what I did was crossed out not and initialed it and then signed it.  The gal didn’t pick up that I altered this agreement.  Would that be a dishonor?
R: No not really.  You just corrected the agreement.  Have you already given the state taxes a check?
** Sure I did, in fact I gave them two of them, plus I sent all this notice to the Sec of State on providing info using the form 11.  Guess time will tell how well that holds up at this bank.  I just gave the other bank a check from my closed account stapled to the notice/offer they sent me with the over draw of $157.16 for that.  I wrote across their document - Accepted for value, returned for value in exchange.  Acceptance #229, July 8, 2002.  I request closure on this account for settlement and remedy.  Please provide the product of your offer.
R: Okay!
** Okay well if you’re up to it I guess we should get this guy on the line cause he is an hour ahead of you.
R: I’m not sure I am up to trying to talk to this guy if he just trying to understand this…  how far along is he?  What does he know and understand?
** Oh he’s been to a couple of my workshops and I think he is pretty savvy.  He’s been studying transcripts for the last 4 or 5 months so he is familiar with the New Procedure. He has to go to court in the morning and I did send him some transcripts because apparently they took the ones he had with him.
R: What did they arrest him for?
** One of them is fraudulent documents of him filing UCC1 but I don’t know the details behind the arrest.
R: Was he trying to file the UCC1 with the county recorder?
** See I don’t know all the details behind the arrest…. I know the sister bailed him out and he has to appear in court in the morning.
R: Okay go ahead and get him …  You know one of the things we have to give a closer look at is the structure or the plans on what they are doing is the Canon Law….
** Oh you did tell me about this once before and as a matter of fact I sent you some info on the Canon Law or Ecclesiastical Law that I took out of this 1910 encyclopedia which supposedly is the last year of truth published now that we’re being lied to by all the propaganda.
** Okay is everybody on?
 

** Okay he was at the county recorder just like you thought but he can tell you better.
*** Hi R Yeah well I got 2 UCC1’s filed at the county clerk and they’ve come back with 2 felonies and 4 misdemeanors filing a false instrument, criminal possession, filing a false financial statement…
R: Okay but… okay I understand.  Why were you filing at the county recorder?
*** It’s a rural county…
R: Yeah, okay but did you tell them that you’re filing in the UCC?
*** Yes Sir.  They ….
R: Is she the UCC filing officer?
*** Yes Sir, there is no other representative to do filing in the county.  They have UCC filing statements in the office already in separate books.
R: Okay.  Cause usually here you see we have a County Recorder but we also have a register of deeds.  The register of deeds is the one that handles UCC.
*** These are both done by the same person…
R: Oh… okay.
*** I don’t think they have ever seen a UCC1 before or even realize there is more than one form for the UCC1 filing.
R: What do you mean?… what do you mean one form or one filing?
*** They don’t know there is a UCC3, 5 or 11.
R: Well there is something wrong with where you’re filing.  If that is a county recorder, you see that’s the public side.  There is something wrong.  I don’t think that’s an office that takes those filings.  They’re just going to try to intercept what you’re doing.
*** Okay… well tomorrow morning I go in for a felony hearing and they are trying to determine whether they’ve got enough evidence to continue on…
R: Okay… well you know how to handle that then?
*** No Sir…
R: Well you know the 3 magic questions?
*** Yes Sir…
R: Then you better stick with those
*** Would I be wise to ask them questions about the accusers knowledge of the UCC?
R: No!   That’s why I say the 3 magic questions.  Because right now apparently you don’t know enough to go beyond that so stick with those 3.
** Yeah S* you don’t want to get into controversy.
*** Right…. Okay!  The other thing was my sister has got me out on bond.  What I run into is there is all these county officials are involved with dealing crack and other ….
R: Oh I know…
*** They’re all making a lot of money off of it and I hit one of the main guys…
R: How do you know that?
*** Because they came out of the woodwork after me.  There’s about 5 people or more.
R: Yeah but how do you know they are dealing in crack?
*** All the city…. The only business in the city of Niagara Falls is the drug trade…
R: Well okay but have you confronted any of them over it?
*** No but I’ve had several people testify to me that’s what is going on.
R: See, then you see you’re not up against any legal procedure.  These bastards are all pirates and they’re all hoodlums.  They’re all in the racquets so you better stick with the three magic questions and forget about everything else.  And when you do the filings here you do those filings done with the Secretary of State.
*** Skip the county recorder…
R: Oh yeah.   I don’t have the time to be able to go back to scratch with something like this but these people need to have their bonds attached and regardless of what happens…. You’re problem is that you’ve got a bond put up.
*** Yes!
R: That’s the first problem that you’ve got.  So the thing is as soon as you make the appearance you request that that bond (the previous cash bond) be returned to you immediately because that guaranteed your appearance and your appearance has been fulfilled and tell that clerk of court you want that bond returned to you when this is over because that was an appearance bond
*** They ran right over top my request for a totally….
R: Oh I know but you just inform them of that when you get into court.  First you just stick with the 3 magic questions and let the chips fall where they may.
*** Okay.
R: Because whatever they’re going to do they have already decided what they’re going to do it and the only thing that is going to put any brakes on this at all is what you do with those 3 magic questions. You see they are going to try to pry something out of you to authorize them to determine you are acting against yourself.  In the 3 magic questions you don’t… it forces them into a position where somebody is exposed.
*** Okay.  My plan of action was the District Attorney has a real live official undertaking and so does the Sheriff with the National Grange Mutual Insurance Co.  and I have both of those documents and I was going to file them on a UCC1 tomorrow after … I was going to ask for settlement of the matter… and when they refuse I was …
R: Well you ain’t going to get anything in there that’s going to work.  If I were you…. What time is the hearing?
*** 9:00 am.
R: I would suggest you prepare those papers and drop them in the mail so that they will be filed with the Secretary of State.
*** Okay… that’s for the bond, right?
R: Yeah!  And you can inform them that that’s what you’ve done.  Since they refused to file them here then they’ve been filed with the Secretary of State.  See once you’ve dropped them in the mail those are filed.
*** Okay.  I was under the impression that the county clerk was the filing officer in the county for the Secretary of State and they both the same.  I read that…
R: Well then you see those are filed then.  Because you see whenever you present something to a filing officer for filing they’re filed… regardless of what they say!  But the way you do it… see when they refuse… well what did you do when they refused to file them.
*** They wanted real property listed on there….
R: Okay… yeah but its so what!   So then what.
*** I put the guys parcel number on there.  I had it handy … see I tried to list some documents that he had sent me on there.  See he opened a bank account in my name and was drawing money off the account at this bank in St. Louis ….
R: Who was doing that?
*** This social services guy.  It’s a child support issue.
R: Okay… well you got a bigger … you’ve got a whole big undercover sting operation going on here so for us to try to do anything to over come that it’s not going to work…. You’ve got a major international conspiracy moving against you.  Big time!
*** Tomorrow I anticipate them either revoking the bond and upping my bail or just altogether refusing it and put me back in jail…
R: Well that’s why I say get that stuff dropped in the mail and then you can just simply inform them in court that those documents are filed.  Do you have another set of them?  Can you show up with other copies.
*** No they stole them all out of my truck.
R: Okay so they have them?  Well then you just inform them that they are filed.   See because whenever they try to qualify something and say, “Well we got to have this, this and this.”  See they don’t have any right to qualify your filings.  It’s none of their damn business.  It’s private!  Okay?  So the thing is, for you to do instead of …. Well you gave them the information they said had to be on there?
*** Yes sir.
R: And you put it on there?
*** Yes.
R: Then what did they do?
*** They took them, filed them and gave me a receipt for them.  Stamped them and gave me a copy.
R: Okay they’re filed then.
*** Correct.
R: Well then that’s not an issue now.  Okay so now don’t bother with that.  That there now is a filed action.  Now what’s going to happen tomorrow has nothing to do with those now.
*** Yeah I think that it’s this guys attempt to try to erase that filing.
R: Yeah they’re going to try to get you to erase that but that has nothing to do with what the action is.  You see that’s already done and you can let them …. You can tell them, “You boys are going to realize that those items are filed and your bond is attached.”  That’s what you were doing with them, right?  Attaching their performance bonds?
*** Yes Sir, that is what I was trying to do.  I was also trying to pay the account and close it.
R: Yeah but you’re using the word ‘trying’ to do this.  Why are you using the word ‘trying’?
Didn’t you finish what you were doing?
*** No Sir.
R: Why?
*** They took me up to Niagara Falls City Court and gave me a restraining order and said I couldn’t talk to them.  They held me for like 3 days and I couldn’t talk to anyone.  Then when I went to give the guy the UCC 1 filing they charged me with aggravated….
R: Yeah but you didn’t answer my question!
*** Okay, one more time please.
R: Well I don’t remember what it is now but you’re giving me a lot of irrelevant facts that didn’t have anything to do with what I was talking to you about.
** It was about the trying… when you’re doing it you’re doing it and not trying to do it..
R: Yeah.  Okay, I asked you what were you trying to do?  See if you were saying you were trying, then it was something that you didn’t do.  What didn’t you do?
*** Effect payment in full and close the account…
R: Okay!  Okay!  So why?  Were they asking for payment?
*** Well they were…. Yes!
R: Okay.  They gave you a receipt.  You got a receipt for it.  For the filing…
***  Right.
R: Okay do you still have that receipt in your possession?
*** No, but I could go back to the clerks office and get a copy of the filing.
R: Well it’s not a copy of the filing.  That isn’t what I’m trying to get at.  They gave you a receipt for filing those papers.
*** They got that too.
R: Okay!  So they’ve got the receipt.  But here’s the thing.  Those papers are filed.  Okay?  Now what did they do after that?  Were they asking you for payment?  Evidently not if they gave you a receipt…
*** No sir, that’s not what happened.   What the activity was, is they opened a bank account in my name, I accepted that….
R: No, no, no, no, no, no!  I’m asking what happened when you were at the filing office trying to file that UCC1?
*** Oh!  They gave me a receipt and filed the document.
R: And filed the documents….Yes!  Okay, where is the receipt?
*** It was taken with the custody.
R: Okay but you have a receipt for that filing.  Did you pay anything for the filing?
*** Yes Sir.  $4.00 and $6.00.
R: What did you pay it with?
*** I paid it with Federal Reserve Notes.
R: Okay!  Okay well that’s fine.  So now because those are for public and private things.  So those are filed so why were you saying those were not filed?
*** They are filed.  You’re absolutely correct.
R: Yeah, but why were you telling me that they weren’t?
*** My mistake.
R: I know but you must have had a reason for wanting to tell me that.  Why were you telling me that.  What was on your mind?  That they weren’t filed when they were?
*** I think that I was trying to tell you that my child support bill was not credited.  They didn’t zero the account and close it…. As requested.
R: Okay!  But what’s that got to do with the filing?
*** When they did that, well the filing was a result of that transaction.
R: Yeah I know.
*** The filing is a receipt of payment.
R: Well … yeah but you see, I still have to try to figure out what you’re doing with the filing here.  Okay so you’re attaching these people’s bonds for one thing.  So what were you doing attaching this person, this Social Services here that…
*** Yeah.  I wrote them so many letters and they wouldn’t respond.
R: Okay so you did get a hold of the bond?
*** The Social Services people don’t have a bond.  It was the district attorney and the sheriff that had a bond.   (Couldn’t quite understand sounds like.   I went after the personal property of the social services people.)
R: Yeah.
*** I listed the documents that they sent me on there.
R: And those are the dishonors?
*** Correct.
R: Okay well I understand that.   Now lets just.
** When were you arrested?  What caused the arrest?
*** I went to give the guy a copy of the UCC1 filings that I have.
** The guy at Social Services?
*** Right and he tried to avoid me so I went to his house and his wife stood behind my vehicle and I couldn’t get out and the cops came around and….
R: Okay.   But you see you can’t mess with these people personally like that.  Why didn’t you send it to them in the mail?
*** I was foolish.
R: Yeah well that’s why they’re going to give you the bejeebies, for personal confrontations.  You got to keep it on a more business like manner than that because they are going to accuse you of planning violent action.
** A terrorist.
*** Yeah they already had a big write up about me in the paper that I’m a stalker.
R: Yeah!  Okay, there you go!
*** Okay so I should get in the mind set.  I’m preparing for them to put me back in jail tomorrow.  What kind of mind set should I have?  Present my body, living sacrifice?
R: No!  You just keep your mouth shut about stuff like that.  You’re just going to invite more and more problems.  You stick with the 3 magic questions.
*** Okay!
R: I’ll tell you what, they’ve already got your number and you start wagging your tongue they’ve got lots of ways to prod and prod until you wag and wag until you wag yourself into jail for a long time.
*** Yes, everyone has told me they want to send me up for a long time….
R: Well here’s the position you better take as far as I can see.  You can let them know that you have attached all of their bonds personally because that is going to create a real problem for them.  That the actions are filed and they can’t do anything about it cause the actions and you better stick with the 3 magic questions in court.
** and then should he remain silent?
R: Sure and if they’ve got anything to say to you just give them a blank stare.
*** All right!  It’s good to talk to you finally after studying your information all this time.
R: Yeah!  And you can just let them know those filings are filed and they’re going to have to deal with the bond.   You don’t want to get into any of that in court, but you can let them know that before you get there probably.
** They’ll probably assign him with a public defender…
*** My sisters went out and engaged this guy to come down and he’s now refused and labeled me a Branch Davidian or that type of character.
R: Yeah!  Yeah!
*** He was saying they’ll send me up for a long, long time.  He did sort of like a pre-sentence.
** And this was an attorney?
*** Yeah this was an attorney that my sister wanted to hire.
R: Well that attorney is a terrorist because he just made a terrorist threat to traumatize the victim.  That is just exactly what he did.  That’s who these people are and you see Mr. Bush in this country has created a climate to allow these guys to run rampant.    I see on the news today they finally got someone who came out and openly accused him.    That was Lyndon LaRouch’s outfit.
** Oh good for them.
R: Yeah and they’re calling those Israelis over there the terrorists that are backed by Bush.   So they’re calling a spade a spade and not only that enough to where the news media picked up on cause I heard it on the radio today.
** I haven’t seen it on TV.  Okay S* do you feel like you’re comfortable with what you understand?
*** Yes ma’am.   I’ll do my best.
R: Yeah!
** So you’re just going to do the 3 magic questions… tell them about the UCC filings and then they’ll probably do a psychiatric evaluation too.
*** Oh they’ve already done something like that.  They’ve got me running between two courts now.  The one is very vicious that has the misdemeanor and the other one is pretty much clueless as to what’s going on.   I’m going tomorrow morning and then I also have another court appearance on Monday.   Should I let these guys go through and just go to jury trial?
R: Well they always head for jury trial but you just tell them you don’t have any dispute with the facts and you request and appearance bond and for your immediate release if they’ve got any charges.
*** I requested one at first and it was denied.
R: Okay then they don’t have any charges.  You obviously have no charges and I’m expected to plead to the charge.  See okay…. Here is the way you get your bond then - When he refuses you the bond, you can confront him over the bond again and tell him you request and appearance bond to enable you to plead to the charge.  See if he doesn’t give you an appearance bond then he is preventing or trying to prevent you from pleading to the charge.  He can’t take a guilty plea from you if you’re in custody… you have to be free on your own personal recognizance before he can take a guilty plea from you.   What he wants to do is assume your innocence so he can enter a  not guilty plea and bring you to trial.  But when you tell him, “I’m not in dispute to any of the facts” and you can tell him that, “I will accept your dishonor and I will plead guilty to the charge.”
**********Some missed when tape was turned….
*** ( couldn’t understand but some joking type comment)
R: That’s your testimony coming home to haunt you.
** The words you say can and will be used against you!
R: See when you request the appearance bond and he refuses you,  then you say, “Okay I accept your refusal and I will charge the involuntary bankruptcy with your dishonor.” That’s the bond.  Then you can tell him, “ and I’ll plead guilty to the charge if you have any.”
*** Okay!  I must have been going in the wrong direction cause I was going for involuntary settlement.
R: That’s exactly what I just told you.  See when I told you you’re accepting his dishonor you’re taking him involuntarily.  You’re taking his bond involuntarily and saying, “Now I’m using your dishonor to charge the involuntary contract.”… or bankruptcy.”  Because when you’ve accepted his dishonor you see you can tell him. “Your dishonor is the affidavit of surety in this matter.”  Whatever he signs that’s adverse to your interest, wherever his signature shows up that’s his affidavit of surety.
And it belongs to you.  The charge against him on that dishonor is your personal property.  You need to get that straight in your mind or you’re not going to prevail with them boys.   Too late now.
*** Okay I’m accepting his dishonor and use his dishonor to charge the involuntary bankruptcy?
R: Yes you use his dishonor to charge the involuntary bankruptcy or charge the bond so you can plea to the charge.  Okay?  And just tell them that, “I am pleading guilty to that charge.”  They can’t hold you in custody when they take a guilty plea.   They are going to find some way they can make some excuse so he can enter a not guilty plea for you.    Chuckles…
** Right they want to re-negotiate with you…
R: Oh sure they want to keep that phony trial going…
*** Okay, if ignores my request and me accepting his dishonor and assesses me the full penalty?
R: Penalty of what?
*** Of … whatever he’s coming at me with… like his charges.
R: Yeah but see what you’re doing here, you’re trying to qualify what I just told you within something that I didn’t tell you.   You’re setting up a whole set of circumstances that I don’t … I’m not even sure that I know what it is.  You’re putting those things into your questions to qualify what I just told you and you better not do that.  You better take it as I gave it to you and then you apply it to what you have.
*** Okay.
R: See you’re trying to invert that.  You’re trying to turn that around so it fits some other mindset that you have.  If you do that it isn’t going to work.
*** Yes I have trouble with that….
** You’ll do fine if you stay really brief and don’t get wordsie and defensive.
*** Well R I thank you for talking to me!
R: Yeah! Yeah!
*** I’ll just trust the Lord will straighten me out on my thinking…
** Let me know if you can… our prayers are with you.  You really know more than you think you do.  I’ll hear from you tomorrow.
 

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** Oh R are you still there?
R: Yeah.
** Good, I wanted to share something else with you.  This lady has a pet medicine mail order business where she has herbs for animals and they tried to drag her into court and she accepted everything for value and now the prosecutor is trying to meet with her and has even offered to meet with her in her town at a local library.  I think they are probably going to try to find a way to re-negotiate with her what do you think?  Should she just accept everything they are offering her.
R: Yeah… chuckles… tell him to bring his check.   If he hasn’t got a check then he hasn’t got anything to offer.
** Great!  I’ll pass that on.    Oh and I think you helped S* a lot even though I’m sure he’s still nervous but I think he knows more than he realizes if he doesn’t get confused on what information goes with what procedure…
R: Oh he’ll figure out a few things.  It won’t be all in vain.
** Well I didn’t mean to catch you off guard I should of known more about the situation to give you a little more preparation instead of making you work through it after a long day.
R: And the thing is he was trying for a personal confrontation with them outside of the office and I knew they’d be charging him with something like that if they can.  They’re going to try to make the environment outside through the new hostile towards him that he’ll have difficulty wherever he goes in public.
** It’ll all dawn on him if he just allows himself to think this through instead of try to keep searching for more solutions and realize the answers are already at hand.
R: He needs to also understand those papers are filed and those people are not going to be able to duck those unless he doesn’t act on them.
** I know you’ve been up a lot of hours so I’ll keep you posted….   Once again thanks etc.