** Hi, is it too late?
R: No, no! Go ahead.
** Good.  Are you up to your neck in alligators with all the people getting sentenced?
R: Well no.  There’s just impasses here to where we’re just waiting to see the outcome and where the gold is at the end of the rainbow.
** Right!  I like to also keep my focus on “it is easier to turn the light on than chase the dark out”.   The light can usually get rid of those scary shadows.  That’s why I don’t like all this information about what the government is doing, and all the new laws they are passing.  Anyway I got an email from a guy and he told me you spoke to him about using the old UCC forms instead of the new national forms… is that because of signature or is there some other reason behind it?
R: Well I think…. I don’t know what the discussion was there.  I’ve had so many discussions….
** Could it be signatures?
R: That’s part of it!  But I think what they’re doing is they are doing it to stone wall the accountability of the State taking the evidence as a matter of fact.  See when I use the state form I just file it and when I get a refusal of any kind from them, that’s a dishonor, now I take the Secretary of State and place the Secretary of State on the National Form as the debtor.  Then file the national form.
** Well all the UCC forms are national.
R: They’re just making those available, but I have old forms here.  I have all kinds of them.
** Okay good.  I may have some old ones also.
R: I still use them until I get the dishonor.  Well I’ve got one in progress right now.  What I did  is I listed the Secretary of State,  I put her name on as an assignee because I’m listing my strawman as a debtor and myself of course as the secured party.  Then I put the Secretary of State on there as the assignee.    Okay?  What the assignment is, is what is stated in the body.  I just tell her to call upon the enforcement agencies at her disposal to compel the officers of the particular state offices or agencies that have an obligation to discharge their duties and to compel them to discharge their duties.   That’s all spelled out and she’s given the assignment to do that.  When that falls into dishonor then she becomes the debtor.  That’s when she goes on the national form…. Because that’s the bankruptcy!
** Oh!  Okay good!  That spells that out much clearer.
R: Yeah I think they’ve come out said, “well all we have is the national forms.”  What they’re doing is trying to do away with us actually going through the steps … an… Oh and here’s another thing on the national form the debtor isn’t required to sign.  So you see, but on the state forms they are and that’s why I listed my own name on there as the debtor because I can sign for the debtor.  I am the representative of that name.
** Now do you put something else with that also like that affidavit with you being the representative of that name and all the variations?
R: Yeah you could!  I would put an affidavit that I’m the representative to sign for SMITH, JOHN and JOHN SMITH.  Because I list the individual names and the business name that is straight up, but the business name is the mirror image of the individual name.  Those are just the reverse of each other and I’m the secured party.  Then I name the Secretary of State as the assignee.
** Good that makes sense.  I can understand that one.  Now I have another situation.  Have you talked to P** H**, the lady in Colorado?  The one loosing her house and you helped her on her address correction?…
R: No I haven’t talked to her for a while.
** Okay, well here’s what’s happening.  I just talked to her about an hour ago.  She got served with an unlawful detainer and they are telling her she has to be out.  I’m not sure that she did all the acceptances.  I don’t know what she knows or how she understands this if she goes in and responds to the unlawful detainer or if she should accept it.  I’m at a loss on what I can help her do that she will understand.  I do try to tell her about displacing their presumptions and that they can’t prove the first sale but since I don’t know her that well or what she knows and understands I’m at a loss.  I told her to call you.  I was just curious what you told her.  Now you know her situation and can sort of anticipate her call.
R: Yeah! Yeah!  I just told her some simple things early on here and she’s held them off pretty well.
** That’s true!  She is a trooper and is doing pretty well to the most part of what she’s told.  I just know with these unlawful detainers they really get aggressive in getting you out.   Had another lady from Utah call me tonight also that her property is being threatened with foreclosure.  Some times though they don’t hear about redemption until like the 11th hour and then it is hard to have time to position the evidence to displace the presumptions.   Oh by the way!  We have a lady out her that was successful in getting the reconveyance on her property.  I think she owed something like $119,000 to Wells Fargo Bank and she paid it with a private check and also did all the address correction etc that you’ve been telling us to do.  She didn’t have a slam dunk, but she finally worked through it an now has it free and clear.  I’m sending you some info. Also about the gal that got the $16,800 from Social Services that they put in her checking account through automatic deposit after almost a year of having her sight drafts, so it isn’t exactly like she sprung a surprise on them and they did it by accident.  Oh and then they keep sending her a notice about a meeting she has requested and she hasn’t requested one.  I suggested that she ask for a copy of her request.  Someone is obviously using her name.
R: Yeah!
** Another thing… some things we’re having success and some things they are acting in their stupid denial like we’ve never heard of an appearance bond…..  So this one guy was going to take some in and ask, “Who uses these then if not you?” or would that be confrontational?
R: Well I don’t know….
** See the clerk is saying she doesn’t know what he is talking about.
R: What we need to do is start to move on these people’s bonds.  We need to start to develop a letter to where they can start to request a bond of these people, each one of them just specifically.
** You know what they are finding out… is that all these different government agents that are suppose to be bonded.  None of them are….
R: What they’re doing, see the bonding companies are doing it like you do on auto insurance…
** Oh the self insuring…??
R: Well yeah!  But you see if you have a policy then you have a deductible.  To prove the deductible, the individual you see, that would really fall under the state.   Dairyland (?)… See the state is risk management.  So you need to determine who is the … I guess the policy owner I suppose, and once you determine who that is and how much there bond is, then the insurance company is then liable for the 100 percent, otherwise it is limited liability you see.  You have to have the two together to make 100 percent liability.  So what you want to do is you want to tell whoever you’re asking or requesting the master bond covering the office they are in charge of.
** Is that in case they don’t want to provide you with the appearance bond?
R: Right!  What you do is… you make a specific request to them for the bond coverage.  Ask them for the affidavit of personal surety.
** Oh!  Would that be like their Tort Insurance?
R: Probably!  Yeah… that’s what it is.  And you see if you get into open court over it then just ask the judge, who backs the risk management for this business organization of this court?
** Oh!  That ought to get their attention!
R: You can also let them know that the judge is the notary of record of the proceedings and that you are the representative of that strawman (accused) of yours.  You’re not going to let them know strawman but you are the representative of the accused.  You are not the accused you’re the representative of the accused.
** Okay!  I’m finding that a lot of the stuff you’ve said before is now becoming clearer.
R: Oh one of my Canadian friends was in court today… all he did was use the 3 magic questions.  And got the court order.
** Any news on P* being shipped off to prison?
R: Well they said he was but they haven’t moved him yet.  I talked to him about 3 or 4 days ago.
** Okay!  I just got an email from his sister and she said they moved him yesterday but they didn’t tell her where but they thought Kentucky.
R: I don’t know now where we’re going to break up the business that they are running.  I do know that they break everything down very fine to where they can break the chain of evidence.  See I know sort of overall of how they are doing it.  They put firewalls between themselves and the evidence so that the state can’t get jurisdiction or take it to where they have, well I would say custody of the facts, say the factual evidence to offset or displace the assumption.
** So the government is actually coming at us in common law treating it like equity court, but they don’t operate in good faith, so therefore they have no standing, right?
R: Right!    Anyway some of the things that we can do to undo them… One thing is that bond.  Like I mentioned to you earlier.  Say like for instances when they accuse somebody and of course we accept and return it, we still have to make the 2nd effort to bind them into the evidence of the dishonor.  It’s kind of like a back order.  That’s really what a back order is, is you’re just trading places with them.  But you see what they’re doing is they are going from the Municipality to the superfund.  They are avoiding the state.  Okay?  Now in California I know there are some government codes that spell it out for you.
** Now what they have done is they’ve got rid of all local rules.  All local rules have been abolished.  Everything now is under Federal.  Federal Rules of Court.
R: Yes.  Okay what they’re doing… well that’s inverted really. See federal rules are all foreign.  So how they’ve done this is… basically what it is, is the operation of Canon Law.
** Okay so that’s the Catholic Church?
R: But see the Protestant churches are just sub units of the Catholic Church, just like Martin Luther is a Catholic Priest.  You see the Lutherans or Protestants are the commercial protest.
** Wow.  That makes sense.
R: Yeah and the Romans are the municipal funds.
** I’ve got some information but haven’t read it.  It’s all about Ecclesiastical Law and Canon Law  that was taken out of the 1910 encyclopedia which I understand that was the last year they put the truth out.  After that it was all the start of propaganda.
R: Well see what they are doing is they are going directly from the municipalities to the superfund.  Okay the superfund is simply a supervisor.  A supervisor is just an assistant of superintendent of a federal project.
** Interesting.  Okay.  So they are not crossing in the foreign borders?
R: Right.  So you see they do this here because they are taking our exemption and our exemption is the equity.  Okay and they are taking the exemption and they can’t have the exemption if the state has got to tax it.   See we use to be dealing with them a while back where the state was involved.  When the state was involved they then would be the tax collector.  They would actually be responsible or make and hold these people accountable for the risk.  Because the state is the underwriter for Dairyland (?) Insurance.   That’s for the personal risk you see, where the other carries can’t carry them.  Why don’t the other carriers carry them?  Because their limited liability.  See this “kind” of risk (the kind we are binding them to) is 100 percent liability.    The insurance company is limited liability so what we’re doing here is we’re tying up these offices and tell them now unless you want to stand 100 percent accountable you’re going to have to give us your bonding company to pay for the harm done.   For the loss and that’s limited liability.  But if you refuse to provide us with the outfit that’s responsible to pay for the losses then you’re going to have to personally stand here the unlimited liability.
** What about if you make them liable on a personal effect because they all think they are covered by their offices.  But if they don’t follow the law, like for example they took an oath to uphold the constitution but they take it to no body.  But I would think that they make that oath to the people of the country.
R: Well it can’t be “the people” either because “the people” is collective but they can take it to you and I (singular) and that’s what we’re doing.  We’re coming in here and we’re saying, “Hey we have an agreement” (a private agreement). See the reason we haven’t been able to get anywhere is we’ve been treating it collectively and the ‘we’ and ‘us’ and that kind of crap.
** So when we go at them on a one on one and they are our public servant and they have a job to do for us.
R: See here is the thing….  Here is how it works.  When you see when they talk about ‘we’ and ‘us’ and when they talk about the U S it doesn’t mean the United States abbreviated, it means ‘us’.  Us means two females or the ‘we’.  Because collectively if you start to read the code up close you would assume it would be the masculine gender it still refers to ‘she’ or ‘her’.
** And they think of the US as feminine.  Lady Liberty.
R: Sure and what they’re doing… is they’re streamlining this thing for the ignorant bureaucrats so that they’re just streamlining the access for the supervisor to the municipal funds.    And see they have a firewall to prevent us from bringing the evidence up against them.  Any way, shape or form.
** Right the system is set up to protect itself not the people it is suppose to serve.
R: Right and so what we have to do is cut them off at the tax levy.  Well you see we’ve been at them where we have made some pretty good inroads tying down these tax levies and going in and getting name corrections and things like that to cut them off from the charge of the municipal funds.  By taking them through the state where the state can tax them and then they become delinquent on taxes.  But you see, in California the government code shows where the state, city and county or maybe just county and city, however they put it, no one employed here.  They are employees of the Superior Court.    So now however it’s laid out in those code sections, it shows that the county, city and state do not have any employees.  Why?  Because they are all employed by the Superior Court.  The reason I’m sure they’re using that word superior is because that is Mother Superior.  It’s the canon law tells how this stuff is going and it also tells when they take these prisoners and they have to be working for these prisons benefit.
** Interesting….
R: Then they have where they can take them from one institute to another you see, simply by the canon law and this of course, the canon law is the methods of handling the evidence in the conscience.
** Okay right cause it has to come from the heart instead of the intellect.
R: See what we’ve been trying to do is cut them off from being able to go directly from the municipal fund to the superfund to the supervisor to where they don’t have any accountability for the taxes to the state.  So you see they are bypassing the state.  We did it before where you can go and get a tax abatement in the county?
**  Right!
R: Okay that also means that that removes it from the tax records so that the state can’t tax it.  Well we’re talking about the taxes here that are on our real estate that we’re after…
** Right!
R: But you see the other thing that I had over looked, but I see what they are doing, is the tax assessments they use to charge the super funds.  See all charges have to come from mother earth.  That’s why this account is exempt from levy.  Okay so now we have to define the levy from which the charge comes from.
** Wow!  Okay…. I’m following you.
R: Well one thing is that these people have…, I think what they have done, they are using the cemeteries and the cemetery lots and plots, I don’t think the state has ever taxed any of those.  That’s a municipal function.  That’s where they’re taking these levies and that’s where the superfund is basing its claim.
** Sort of like taking or making debt from the dead.  You think it is like using the names… or the parcels…
R: They actually draw a plot of land.  See remember here when the Roman solders cast lots with the robe of Christ.  They never separated it.  It was seamless.  It was never divided, put it that way.
** So cemetery plots are never really divided by parcel…
R: But they cast lots…
** Okay….I think I see where you’re going.
R: His robe would represent the uniform covering or the robe which is a personal covering or a uniform… a military uniform.  It was uniform.  Why?  Because it was seamless, it didn’t have any borders.  It was universal.  Even the cemetery lots come under the survey.  All the land in the country has to be surveyed and then they have to make a place where there has to be a cemetery.   In fact, even the cemetery up in my county where my ancestors lay.  That land was in my family’s possession at one time.  So you see I can go way, way back to that…  And see this is the way with Arlington National Cemetery.  Most of those crosses laying in Arlington National Cemetery… there aren’t any people there.  They are laying in France, Germany, Russia or where ever.  But what they do is they just keep breaking these plots down smaller and smaller.
** Could be a 12 x 12….
R: This here could be smaller than an atom.  You can break down even subatomic parts.  You see when you use negative numbers and you go internal you go into infinity.  They are using this to charge the superfunds.  I think what we need to do is start looking for … a well…
** Well I know the government is starting to take more and more land by immanent domain or for swamp or conservation and when I was in school we learned the government was never suppose to own land and anytime private sector wanted it the government was suppose to allow it … as long as it wasn’t dangerous to the public of course.
R: Yes.. Yes….  So what we need to do is we just need to give a description of the land and ask for the parcel number covering it.   Then ask for the tax statement or the assessed value of the property and also the tax assessment.  See if they give you an assessed value there’s a tax that has been on it.  They may come and say, “Well there is no value stated on here.”  That means there is no tax.  Okay if they tell you that then you know your exemption is in that particular property.   Because you see they are claiming no tax or tax exempt.  Then that particular property now they are claiming exemption but you see now when we take that property and tell them to do the correction, now we’re proving that they don’t have clean hands.
** You’re genius…
R: Because you see if there is another name they haven’t settled there is an outstanding claim then you see we’ve gotten at them where they are using that as the evidence that they own the equity.   We’ve created another claim in there and now we have the proof they don’t have clean hands.  I think that this is probably one of the only places where we can cut them off from mother earth.  Cut them off from the charge and that’s when it’ll be cut off from life, because I think the charge is life.
** I’m following your concept of the charge coming from the land and them breaking up the land into the parcels then they are taxing and that’s what they’re making into the municipal bonds.
R: Yeah and when we go and they give you that parcel number I think we can probably go to the cemeteries you see and take those cemetery…  well you just get the address description of the property and that will fall under a parcel and that’s the parcel number that you want.
** Right… I think that the cemetery as a business will all fall under one parcel at the assessors office.
R: Yeah and the reason is, is because now I’ve never heard of a state cemetery or a …. A …
** Usually cemeteries are owned by the churches.  I know they have a real nice one fairly close to me called Holy Cross and it is Catholic.  Forrest Lawn is private I think.
R: Well here’s the thing… I don’t know if you remember the National Farmers Organization from years ago that were doing the milk dumping ….
** Okay I remember bits of that in the late 70’s or somewhere in there….
R: Okay well I happen to know that particular farm organization was organized under a cemetery law.  So you see there is probably a lot of ways that that cemetery can be used.   I think that what we need to do is start moving on this property here that says on this property there is no tax.  Okay that’s the property that we want to move on the UCC1s and then let them know that we are taking that property and then we can probably make it taxable by placing it on the UCC1s we can lay it before the Secretary of State and hold the Secretary of State feet to the fire to make them go ahead and tax those entities.   You see?  And if they don’t then bring the Sec of State under the enforcement of Washington DC which would be Colin Powell.
** Oh I heard that Colin Powell was ready to resign.
R: He is huh?
** Because they keep taking his power away and give it to some newly created power group like Homeland Securities.
R: Then he better get in here.  We can give him some power!   Sure he could make a go pretty good here if he arrested some of these jerks…
** Exactly…   Anything good going on with some of the guys in jail?
R: Well here is something that needs to be straightened out.  I get calls from some of these guys and they are so concerned that they are following everything just right and they come up with these general questions.  And you see I’ve had some other that call and they don’t think their own solutions through.  Now these guys know enough so they should just lay back and wait for a solution to appear.  The solution will appear and then they can act on it.  Most of the time these people need to just relax and calm down but they let the other things control instead of the internal.   They need to get humble enough to be able to look around and see what the solution is.  So for me I would tell them when they tell me, “I have no idea what is happening or where I’m going.”   Okay if they don’t have a plan and I’m not going to give them my plan because I am not them.
** Oh you told me this from the very beginning that you have to set back and be clear what you want and the mind will work for you.
R: Right and you can’t take it from somebody else cause it is not yours.  Somebody who has studied this will know what to do and when they have to think for themselves they have to make the decision.  And when they make the decision then it belongs to them and that is how it has to be.  I don’t mind a question when it is specific enough but I don’t want to lay out a general plan for them that they have to discuss for an hour.
** I tell people, cause they get the transcripts from conversations with you, so that gives them tools by understanding the concepts to create and design their own plan to fit their situation.  It is just a matter of working with the language more and studying it more so it becomes natural.  One of the things I feel people have a problem because they think they have to study every single thing so they don’t miss “a trick” or should I say loop hole.  We’ve gotten some wonderful tools from you and are so grateful that you share them.
R: Well see they aren’t honing it down so that it will come to them and they have to have a humble spirit.    This one guy I was helping was first uncomfortable about pleading to the charges.   Finally he decided to go for it anyway.  He goes into court and asked for the bond for the appearance and the judge just goes ballistic.  Screaming and hollering and putting on a show to all the people wondering how he could dare put on a show like that and threatening him that he is going to keep him in court and make him appear until he acquiesces.  Tells the bailiff’s  “Get him out of here!  I’m going to bring him back here until he changes his mind.”  So he comes back into court the next day and he’s still of the same position, but before the judge comes in here’s the prosecutor and the court appointed attorney and even the clerk.  They were talking about the judge’s conduct and remarking that he needs to be sanctioned and they even said they would help this guy.   They were all freely offering to help but he told them he’s not interested in sanctioning the judge.
** Interesting.
R: Well anyway the judge comes in and opened up the court.  See what they were trying to do was open up another agreement.
** Good guy bad guy trick!
R: The judge is completely different and apologizes for his conduct on the day before and tells him that as long as he is willing to plea to the charge he said, “As long as you are willing to plea to the charge that will authorize me to reduce the charge from a felony to a misdemeanor.”
** Yeah that’s another trick.
R: Yeah!  So he told him “No, I just want to leave it the way it is.”  Then the prosecutor jumped up and said, “Judge if you are going to take his plea then we have to drop the shackles.”  The judge said, “Yes we have to drop the shackles.”  And they dropped the shackles off of him right there.  The judge then dropped the gavel down and he was free for the moment but then they took him into custody because then the feds took over so now he’s going to get a true bill.
** Now does the federal also have an appearance bond so he can do the same thing there too, right?
R: Yeah.  But you see he’s been kind of held off and he’s got a couple of hearings pretty close together.  This thing will move along pretty fast from here now.
** Now what is going on with him?
R: Oh he bought some farm equipment at an auction sale and then he bought a house.   But you see when this happened then he could see everything was brought in to the bond.  He was thinking he still had to go to another county that he had to go to prosecute the bond but when he got that bond discharge it took care of all the state stuff.
** Oh very good!
R: Then he fell in the custody of the US Marshals.  And of course the marshals took him into a federal court in before a federal magistrate and of course that immediately requesting a bond but she did say that at this particular hearing she could not prosecute the bond that it would have to be elsewhere.  So they had to set another hearing so it’s just going to go from one to another but he’s okay.  They’re passing the account through.
** So he should be able to get the equipment and house back?
R: Oh I think so or he’ll get the money.
** So actually this is a good thing even though this doesn’t appear that way to the on lookers.  That’s the same thing going on with the guy in PA where he bought a car, a tractor lawn mower and some other things, but I think they just jerk you around and try to frighten people into reacting out of fear.  They have arrested him and he has requested the appearance bond but they are trying to tell him that in the commonwealth of Pennsylvania we don’t provide appearance bonds so now they’ve given him no way to go.  The latest is they say they lost him in the system but I think someone bailed him out.
R: Yeah yeah
** Oh then we had another guy that went in and he had several warrants, I think most of it was some traffic and failing to appear or pay the fine or whatever.  Anyway he went in and asked the prosecutor, “Are you holding the bond? Are you holding a bond on me?”   Then of course the judge interceded and said, “I ask the questions here!”.   I don’t know where he came up with that because he had the information to request an appearance bond from the judge.  But the long and short of it is they rescheduled the hearing and when he went back the next time the prosecutor tried to deal with him out in the hall and tell him they’ll reduce the charges from some large amount like $500 plus to $90.  He said, “well what about the other warrants?”, so the prosecutor said he’d throw everything in if he’d agree to pay the $90 and that would clean up everything so he ended up paying.  I think he sold out.
R: Well no, that was the appearance bond.  See you’re accepting their refusal and then they become personally accountable.  So that was a personal bond.
** Interesting.  Now if some bodies got a business and they go from public and then change it over to private by now running it by membership would that still hold under the same kind of law since they are using a fiction name for the business?
R: Well if they’re operating as a fiction business, that business is their personal property.
** I thought so.   See the FDA is going after this lady because she grows and distributes herbs for pets and they are trying to put her out of business.
R: Then she needs to just accept their complaint for value and return it.
** Okay she did and then she was suppose to go to court but since we know how that is going to turn out when they do the civil so she didn’t go.  Her husband did and it turned out exactly like it usually does.  I think it would be better that they come out and arrest her so now she can get the bond to wipe all the other empty charges.
R: They may not dare cause it gets dangerous to them to when they don’t know what they are doing…
** Well I’ll keep you posted.  I’ll let you go now.    Thanks…etc.