I’m very adamant about doing pure Roger concepts and bc, affectionately called the Brain Cell, is doing only Roger concepts.  He has been studying pure Roger concepts since the beginning and has such a grasp and retention, along with scripture understanding that really ties this all together.  I think you’ll get a new level of understanding of the concepts from another way of expressing the same thing.

** You guys in the US may not know this but Canada is just another state of the United States.  I closed my account in the US last time I was down there.  I’m now putting a stamp on the front of it… a $1 US stamp and one on the rear.  One in the top left and one on the rear bottom right and we’re getting all the checks notarized to enforce the bond for the check.  As we’re doing that one of the fellows back in the flat lands is having a little more success there.
*** And the purpose of that is to make your check… is this the open account check or the closed?
** The closed account checks.
*** And what again are you doing this for and you’re using a postage stamp?
** Stamp on the face, the $1.00 postage stamp.  If you go back before 1920 all checks had a 2 cent stamp on them.  Making them either a piece of security or a negotiable instrument, some different form.
*** Now is Roger endorsing this or did he suggest it?
** Well I’m not sure.  I sent some of this information I had down east and they started doing it, so…  So I’m sure in the next day or 2 or 3 I’ll chat with him a little bit more.  Remember we’re an elder state of the United States of that Corporation.   Then obviously the communication is gonna be a little slower and on our checks I’m going to start putting charge my account said sum and charge your order the same in exchange…. Right on the check.   But I put my employer ID # on there as well.   On my closed check as I’m sending it out.
*** Are you using Canadian banks or are you using US banks?
** I have a closed Canadian account but now that we’re on the phone I do have a US account that two of them are now open so I’d actually like to get a couple of checks down there on closed accounts to be able to close the account on in the bank on the US side of the border.
         Chit chat about tapes and distribution and sanitizing to protect privacy.
*** bc are you on?
Bc Yeah I’m here… I’m listening.
** Yeah I think bc has R idea of grace down pretty well.  I think it takes a little while for that to catch on but it just like R talking about substance.  Everything they’ve got out there is in form which is in title which is “in law” or “at law”. … and God was never in law or at law he was always substance.
Once we can get our minds back into substance then it becomes a little simpler.   We’re at equity but we can’t get equity in form and that’s why the closed account check to pay the taxes ‘cause once you’ve paid it with a money order or closed account check then it’s whipped the slate clean cause the tax has never been paid.
Bc Well a good example of that is…  someone asked about what was substance and form but a good example like out here like on big profile cases where they have the FBI come and pick people up.  What they usually do is have the city police come with the FBI and the FBI will do there thing, the prisoner getting arrested, and he’s read his rights and all of that it is the states person that has them by the cuffs.  So the Feds don’t have the authority to actually grab anybody.   They’ll come and use the states authority to come and take the substance.
** Cause they’re the ones that have jurisdiction over the paper?
Bc Yeah the Fed has the jurisdiction over the paper and the state has the substance.   That’s probably why they always have FBI come over with the state police to do a federal arrest.
** Again I think you’re having the same problem over there that we are having over here is whenever they take you to court and they’re reading the charges.  There really never is any charges.   And they never want to produce any charges they just want you to acquiesce in court to being guilty.
Bc Well they’re a part of that, like R explains confess and avoid because the moment they issue a charge, someone has to redeem it.    So with the new information with going in a pleading guilty to it.
From what I’ve heard I can tell they don’t like that much because then they can’t go after it anymore.  Just how they don’t want to give the bond to pleas.  They’re putting in “not guilty” pleas for us because they don’t want us to plea.
** That’s why you’ve got to stand right up there and say, “I’m not here to contest the facts, I’m quite willing to plead guilty under confession and avoidance”.
Bc Yeah and really get in there face about it because I could tell that is one thing they don’t want to do is ever settle anything.   (chuckles)
*** If I may interject something in there about making sure you get an affidavit claiming all your names in all the variations notarized… those going through this are finding the courts don’t want to recognize any of this…
bc Them not recognizing it is actually them confessing they are actually bankrupt.
** Again the affidavit won’t stand because it’s your presumption.  What you have to do, on your UCC1 under general collateral.  That affidavit has to be listed as your property.   Once the state has accepted it, it is now a fact and the crown prosecutor and the DA… once you give them a copy of the UCC1, he is going to see that the affidavit is listed there.  He can now read the affidavit and it is a fact and they have to accept it in court.
*** Well not everyone can get the state to file a UCC1 so that is why the affidavit is good to have notarized because the notary takes the info from the driver license.
Bc Well I would say whether they file it or not, you registered it the moment you took that action.  You know you just have to remember that the UCC1 is eligible for filing.   Because they’re going to come back and say oh we’re not going to file you.  Which is a public denial!  But it’s all an admission that they are bankrupt because revenues are recognized at point of sale.  So if they can’t prove that I paid them, that’s the proof there’s no money and that’s public policy.
*** That there is no remedy.
Bc When they come and they say they didn’t get paid, that’s public policy in evidence.  That’s how come it goes to equity.   It’s because it has nothing to do with money.  You’re dealing with property rights.
**  You feel they’ll take that as a fact in to court?
Bc What it is…  . See the state is where all the facts are because that’s where the substance is.  When you get into the form and the Federal it’s all interpretive.  Like trying to explain the exemption.  You can’t really explain it.  It’s just there.  But what happens is … the only way you can create a fact is with an agreement.  It’s where two parties agree --- that’s the fact!  Because that’s what equity courts are is by agreement.   So the state is where all the facts reside but it’s not the state that makes the facts.  The facts that exist are when we accept or when we take a position that’s what the facts are.  Everything that is done by execution of law is assumed.   Because it’s the very nature of an executive office, is he assumes the oath of office or he assumes the office so anything he does subject to that is not a fact.
** So the moment in your state if you do file the UCC1 in our case that’s a PPSA, Personal Property Security Agreement, which is just a financing statement then you list all your general collateral.  Once you’ve originally got that accepted why on the second one couldn’t you list the Magna Carta and in the Magna Carta, it’s really the Great British Bond and it was the first incorporation of the corporation.  Once we understand what it is we accept the Magna Carta for value and list it on our UCC1 as general collateral then chapter 39 of the Magna Carta should be able to stand there in court as a fact.
Bc What is chapter 39?
** Let me look…. You talk while I find it.
Bc I think what we’re working out…. See what happens down here is like you’ll send in your UCC1 and you can either send it in with an open check and it’ll get filed or it’ll get accepted in register or you can send in a closed check and they’ll come back saying they didn’t get paid.  They’ll put a cover letter on it saying they didn’t get paid.  But our position on it is regardless of what they say is it’s registered because what registration is, is the recording of fact, is what registration is.  So every time a fact is existed and it’s recorded into evidence.  That’s what the word registration is.
** Well I sent a waiver with mine.  Very similar and they didn’t say anything other than they wanted the form filled out in the proper manner.
Bc Okay… all right!  Well see you have the option to either fill it out in the proper manner and re submit it or just accept it being that it’s neither here nor there.  It’s immaterial what they are saying.
** Well R is saying, once we accept it, regardless what they are doing in our state if they don’t accept it to send it to Washington DC.  That’s really where I was at right there.  But I want to go back to correct…. I wrote it out on the first application.  R said not to contest that just put it down any which way and put in the affidavit along with it in substance form rather than literal form.  What he’s really getting at is put picture in there.  Anyway section 39 of the Magna Carta says:  No free man shall be seized or imprisoned or stripped of his rights or possessions or outlawed or exiled or deprived of his standing in any way nor will we proceed with force against him.  Sent others to do so except by the lawful judgment of his equals or by the law of the land.  So equals back then was 12 of your peers and law of the land was common law.
Bc Right! well that’s law, but we’re not prosecuting in the common law right now.  When they come upon us they’re coming in common law, but everything we’re doing is in equity.   So because the thing is… Is the reason why the jury has no application in what we’re doing.  They would sure want it to but the reason it doesn’t is because what it says in scriptures is you have to agree with your adversary.  So what they try to do is say, “Oh we have a mob here and collectively us 12 people all agree that you’re guilty.”  But none the less that is neither here nor there because the fact of the matter is they offered a sale for you and that jury was never on it from the beginning, so it’s just like a bluff.  See the judge judges on two issues--the issues of facts and the issues of law.  But see the moment you’ve accepted you just made all the facts.  So we’re not here to dispute the facts, which means we go right now to the issue of law.  But see what they do is now we’re at the issue of law so there’s the common law and the preferred law, which is equity and as long we’re in clean conscience then we’re dealing in equity law …or equity.  So there really is no issue of law either!  You know it kind of waives both of them.  The issue of facts is set aside when we don’t argue with what they say or we don’t really care what they say.  The issue of facts is settled when we’re in good faith and we’re in equity court.
** Any question???
** Had some but they slid away as I was listening….
Bc When you enter in common law it kinda gets philosophical or however you want to take it.  But when they issue a charge, you can’t really dispute it.  Like if the officer says, “you sped!”  You can’t really say, “No I didn’t speed!” because if you didn’t speed then it was an assumption from the beginning.  But then what happens is if it’s an assumption from the beginning why then would you ever dispute it?  So you kind of get yourself in a catch 22 when they make the assumption and you can’t dispute the assumption but the thing is they can’t prove it.   Yeah it’s a catch 22 when you’re dealing with assumption, which means it’s a catch 22 when they take a position that is contrary to yours.
** Hi bc, this is ** and I’ve listened to some of the commentary of what’s going on and I’m really getting a kick out of this jury system.  Because it gives the lay people a warm fuzzy feeling that there is a group of their peers going to judge them without arbitrary and oppressive judgment.  In truth it all comes from within side of what you’re doing.   Without kowtowing to 12 jury members to say “yea” or “Nay”.
Bc Okay!  See here’s what you’re doing also.  What you’re proving out is a retail sale.  You know like federal truth and lending.  It’s retail sale.  See retail … in a retail agreement there is only two parties, a buyer and a seller.  And emphasis on the retail agreement is that the seller has to be able to prove he can pass title by paying off all the wholesale liens.  So when you’re dealing in a retail agreement there is only 2 people and there is only one border and only one debit and one credit, only one pair of opposites.  What’s considered is when ever they bring up these other 12 people and the court reporter and all these other people that start to tack on their own personal interest on the case.  And they are getting paid witness fees and all this junk.  As far as you’re concerned they are all the same individual.
** Yeah you bet!
Bc Because when you’re dealing a retail agreement, which means there’s only one buyer and one seller.  So they are all the same individual and that’s how come you say I don’t plan to dispute the facts which is the same thing as I’m not going to dispute an assumption either because you can’t dispute assumptions.  It’s quite impossible…. When the police says, “You sped… you went 50 mph.”  You can’t really say, “No I didn’t speed at 50 mph.”   Because just like him, you have no witness.  There’s no one that was there to say you went 45 or whatever.  So you just have to go, “Okay well this is a court of conscience matter now cause you know what’s truth.”
** This way you just accept it?  In a place where it makes sense to you without any confrontation or denial… ?
bc Oh yeah!  Oh that’s a good word.  The word denial.   When they come at you and say we’re offering you a presumption.  And if you reject it then that’s a denial….. As R explains it’s like you’re on the Nile River and you’re headed for the public but right now you’re private.  Your private water is headed for the public.  You don’t want to deny it.  It’s in the same light as when Christ was going through the atonement it was imperative that he not deny all the sin, otherwise there could have been  no redemption of it.
** One thing I’m really curious about is the levies.  You know we’re moving past sight drafts and into closed accounts and we’re looking at a superbond and we’re looking at all these components that are built into this form that are becoming a bit of a labyrinth for us all.  Have you been looking at the levies?  What would be your interpretation of it?
Bc Okay well he says the assessment is on the personal property.
** Like on property?
Bc He describes… well remember how he talks about municipal bonds are first and treasury bills come second?  Well what happens is, the way municipalities work, is the municipality has the collateral endorsement of everybody’s bodies and all the substance.  The substance resides in the community or municipality.  So that’s how come when the Feds comes and arrests someone they always have a state person there to actually do the handcuffing because it’s the state where the property is.   So what they do is they assume… well the way the system works is the system assumes that they own the property rights…. The tangible property rights.  Like to your dirt, the rights to your car… they assume they own that.  What happens is with that assumption they then hypothecate that equity and fractionalize it and they borrow more and make more properties.   But what happens is a municipal fund exists… well municipal bonds are in mutual funds.  Mutual funds exist by mutual affection and agreement.  That’s like a catch phrase he said.   So wherever you have mutual affection and agreement, emphasizing the word agreement.  Every time you have an agreement, that’s a mutual fund.    He said that mutual funds are represented by spent money.  So wherever you see someone claiming they spent money, that’s municipal fund.  What happens is, is when they assume the property is theirs they say this tract of land is our property because it exists in the state of Fountain Valley so we’re going to use that to hypothecate and when they hypothecate it they then go out and borrow and get treasury bills.  They use the treasury bills to build stuff.  You know like they say, “Well because we have 10 square miles here of city we can build this and they build an infrastructure.    But the levies go … well when we tell them it’s exempt from levy, the whole thing, like the word assumption, is the same thing as assessment.  So because they just assess… they just assume!  When they make that assessment we’re coming back on them letting them know that it’s exempt and should have never been assessed.   It’s exempt from the taxes.  Why is exempt from the taxes?   Because when they tried to tax it they didn’t get my agreement yet.  They just went with it.  Otherwise I would have told them from the beginning that it was tax exempt.    You could say that’s what the pre-payment is, is where they assume the taxes.  Like a good example is when they say, “You owe them $50.00 or like the IRS… What do you guys call your taxes up there?
** CCRA
Bc Okay, well when the CCRA sends you a bill saying you owe $20,000.  What they are telling you is they’ve spent 20 grand in your name.   See everything is a credit card transaction.  It’s a good example.  It’s where you swipe the card or you have a sale but see what they’re doing when they do these types of things is they don’t give us the property that that $20,000 represents.
** We’ve been kicking around these ideas quite a bit and I’m curious of what you’re response would be here to this.  If there are only two real forms of value, which is labor (consciousness) and the other one is equity.  Here in Canada we’re dealing with a labyrinth of form where the equity has been systematically been hidden from the people and of course the labyrinth has been captured through birth certificates and social insurance numbers and everything else so this one two punch they’re using to capture all of the production and all of the equity.  We’re dealing with a convoluted mess here trying to get through some of these firewalls.   Maybe down in United States you guys are doing counties and maybe it hasn’t changed as much.  Are you guys able to break down, like if you can actually move labor, people that are producing and the equity that has been put into fee simple, how you guys are dealing with that?
Bc Well you have to remember with the advent of public policy, labor is out of the equation.
** It’s out of the equation?
Bc Right!  Labor has nothing to do with payment.  See that’s what they try to do.  Okay on a moral and conscionable level because I’m able bodied I’m going to do what I need to do.   That’s my constitution!  If I have the ability to lift a shovel I’ll do it.  I don’t want to lift a shovel when there is a burden that’s an outside burden that’s put upon me.  If it’s a moral obligation, I’ll do it.   Like here is a good way you can look at it.  Morally I know I cannot exist in the universe by my self so I’m going to have to support someone like myself with a body to be able to work together to take care of things.  But what they do is they try to compel it.  Okay like a good example - I’d like to buy a car and they say, “Okay fill out the loan.”   Well see the whole idea of the loan is you preparing yourself that you are going to have to repay this thing.  What’s going on is they’re trying to tell you, like they are trying to bring you up into the system of Old Testament that you’re body is to be used to pay debt.  That you have to labor to get what you want.  But see that’s Old Testament and it doesn’t work that way any more because public policy says that gold is no longer required as a medium of exchange.
** But if they’re hypothecating these super bonds based on a head count, how can labor not count for anything?
Bc Well here’s what they do…. It’s more of a social quota.   Here’s what happens.  If I look at you and say, “My goodness you got your house for free and I’m having to pay for it I’m kind of bitter.”  But see that’s what they do is they pit everybody against each other.   Because it’s like a good example is like these little petty things help me understand it.  They are raising the mail from 34 cents to 37 cents and my Mom is starting to freak out on the price.   The people are going to pay it until they realize they need the mail so much that they’ll do it for free.   See that’s kind of what happens is the things you need they’ll always get done.  That’s what we’re dealing with and this whole idea putting your body to numbers is really just a joke.  Once you see how scandalous of what’s going on.  See like you have a body so you’re going to do what you need to do for your own moral existence.   Same here!  But I’m not so self-mastered that I can tell you what to do with your body… that’s your business.  What they try to do is they try to tell you what you have to do with your body.  What happens is when they tell us to do that what they’re telling us is that our bodies are their property and they have an equitable claim on our bodies and they can tell our bodies where to do.  But that’s not necessarily so unless we agree it is.  But it is our agreement of where we’re going to take it.
** So we’re just talking about agreement and equity here?
Bc Right… see the public version of equity is what you call common law.
** Common law is execution and who needs to go there right?
Bc Right, well see what they do, rather than operate and actually help the individual.   Like a good example is the public.  It’s running on communism which means the whole or collective is more important than the individual.  That is what common law is.  They care more about everybody being equal than they do about what you might need.   But see what we’re doing is triage or the emergency room where we’re coming up to the insurance table and we’re going, “I need a check for this amount.  I’m injured and I’m a live body or I’m a citizen or I’m a real live principal… I’m a person here.  I’m not a strawman… I’m the actual thing and I’ve just been injured.”   See that’s what brings up priority which is what equity is.  If it’s due to you, you’re suppose to get it.  So what they do is they put in all these assumed orders that keeps telling everyone that they’re due money.  But see the fact of the matter is because they’ve chosen to be a collective they can’t ever prove they’re actually injured.  Why?  Because a collective does not have a conscience.  So obviously it’s fake.  Because they’ve chosen to be a collective or be the mob or whatever, they’ve waived their conscience.  So they can’t ever prove they’re eligible for the money they keep asking for and that’s why the check never gets paid.
** Yeah that’s remarkable sensible and makes a lot of sense.
Bc What happens is common law is based on execution of law but once you have the execution or dead body/debt.  Then what happens is it needs to get into operation, which is the redemption or the insurance side of the world where the moment there is a problem the insurance money is put on the problem and you fix it.  See what they’re doing is they keep putting in all these fictitious insurance claims trying to continually get repaid on debts that don’t really exist the moment you’ve accepted it.  Like down here the Fair Debt Collection Practices Act it says on all the collection bills it says, Any information obtained will be used to collect a debt.   Nowhere on there does it say they are going to use money to collect.  Why?  Because public policy took all the money out and that is why all they have is information.    See when they try to get into these extortionist methods is what they are trying to do is collect beyond information.   And they are trying to collect into substance.
** Yeah in equity!
Bc Right and that’s what these attorneys are doing.  The attorneys set themselves up as you could say, as the state citizen of the corporation or the real live person with state rights and they’re coming in claiming rights on the substance.  But see the only person that can claim rights on the substance or the only kind of people are the real live people.  Because rights on substance exist on undertake and delivery.   Real live people what they do is the TAKE.   A good example of take is where the Good Samaritan put the guy in the hotel, then told the guy at the hotel, “Well if there is any more I’ll take care of this.”  See real people they TAKE.  They put it in their palm.  They grab it and pull towards them.   See that’s what these attorneys are doing.  They are taking up all these accounts and they are acting as the real live person, but the only way you can act in equity or to be in equity jurisdiction is to be in good faith and so when I put up my petition to the guy telling him I need a remedy and he refuses my remedy or just denies it.  Now he is starting to will away his own good faith because you’re dealing with the golden rule where anything you do is what you would want others to do for you.   And so he’s willing away his right to claiming.  Another good thing that you learn in life is the only thing people look for in life is acknowledgment or acceptance.   See that’s what’s going on is that we’re more willing to acknowledge or accept them and they’re not comfortable enough with themselves.  They are very egocentric.  Where they don’t want to agree with others.  They want everything to go with them.   And if it doesn’t go with them, they don’t know how to keep their exemption.   Because here’s a good example… It’s like a credit card you could either pay at the point of sale or if you don’t have any money you could agree to pay.  See that’s kind of what we’re dealing with is either you can directly make you payment or you can indirectly agree to pay… now it’s deferred.   It’s not on your body anymore, you passed the obligation so they’re willing to do neither.  They don’t want to agree that I need the money or that I need the property rights or that I need the substance and they are not willing to agree to it either … or they’re not willing to give me the property and they are not willing to agree that I need it.  So they kind of put themselves in a bind so they really can’t support their position no matter what they do.
** It’s amazing what they’ve done!
Bc Oh it’s quite incredible but you know it’s all settled the moment you accepted it.   Because you brought into evidence everything now that they don’t have charges.
** Anyway we’ve created a labyrinth here in Canada that we all a??? and rightly so.  I listened and I’ve tried to sift through on how you get through the firewalls?   I guess that’s the question.
Bc What’s the firewall?  What are you calling a firewall?  What do you mean?
** Well what we got here is fed ?(  lots of static and can understand all) regional, providences here instead of states and they’re all orchestrated by the Crown all through the bar that is such a convoluted  mess in terms of getting to the equity.  And they create all these documents that lead to dead end streets.  It’s true we operate through equity and claim some of this stuff back and look at how certain courts operating as courts of commerce you know you can see… we’ve got loodisy acts up here that basically you can’t go into any jurisdiction unless you recognize it.  Both on your side of the border and on ours I don’t think the constitution or the bill of rights exists.   That’s all form so how do you guys preparing for that?
Bc Well here’s a good a word to know.  Like the word exception means recognize.  But see it’s a good example of what you’re dealing with.  You’re dealing with the concept of borrow and lend.  The fact that they do not want to settle anything is the proof right there that they’re borrowing or that they’re using your life blood.  They are the blood suckers.  They suck the blood or they use the charge or they use the energy.  But all you have to do is determine what your interest is and then what you have to do is you have to determine what the property is that that’s in.  And that’s the tangible version of what interest is.  So you just have to describe the property and tell them “hey that’s mine” and now what they just did is now you have an equitable lien on that property.  So what they do is neither here nor there.  Because it’s the same thing as where … (lots of static couldn’t make out)
** We’re just running into all sorts of denial and yet they have got a club so to speak….to try to get people to throw people out of court, try to get them to jump through a variety of new hoops…and they capture a lot of these people along the way.  You can say it’s for lack of knowledge and I say that’s not true.  It’s basically that this whole system has been booby trapped.
Bc     One thing you have to remember is the only thing they want is for you to appease their conscience.  That’s the only thing they are looking for.  They do these sorts of things but the fact of the matter is you that you have equitable claim on that property wherever that property is at.   And see that’s the fact of the matter.  Now what they try to do is they try to get you to think or to agree that you don’t really have a claim.  Like a good example is when someone goes through a criminal case they always feel like they’re bastardized by the public or they are always treated bad…
** Yeah
Bc Well that’s the fact right there that those people are using that persons money.  Because they have an interest in what that guy went through.  So you see all these peoples’ interest come out.  See those are all hidden liens.  They do those sorts of things if only to try to convince you that you don’t have an equitable claim on the property.  Then what they try to do is say… Well we’ll take it to criminal.”  Because there is an assumption that if you’re in criminal jurisdiction you’re obviously guilty.  But you see what we’re dealing with is we’re in the court of conscience.  Where your conscience… If you conscience is innocent then you own the universe.  And see that’s what we’re binding them with and that’s how come they don’t want us to plea.
** I guess my question is how are you guys managing to bind these guys to these fundamental truths.   They just ignore us up here.   Like the pass over… they just ignore us up here.   They won’t admit there’s been a Passover.   They won’t admit any responsibility or personality liability.  They’ll deny until the cows come home.  So what do you do … you go out an run a parallel system.  It’d be great if people weren’t so complacent and were willing to participate but that’s not the case so….how are you guys binding these guys to these truths?
Bc Well it’s like you’ll never really know because when they make those things known to the public their bodies are going to fall.  But see what happens is it just burns their conscience.  That’s what you’re dealing with.  It’s just going to bind their conscience down to where they’re going to loose their own facilities.  Cause see that’s the jurisdiction that we’re dealing in because we don’t have armies surrounding our bodies, so we don’t have that outward force.  What we’re dealing with is … here’s a good example:  R explained how there’s two types of energies, strong energy and weak energy.  Like if you take for example a nuclear power plant.  He said there are two types of energies there.  The large energy is the nuclear reaction that’s going on in the core, which is naturally violent reaction and can cause tremendous damage.  You know the ones that boil the water.  What the weak energy is and this is what we are.  There has to be a scientist that works in the nuclear power generator that will control how much graphite core is going to go in between the reaction.  Otherwise it is uncontrolled and see just what we’re dealing with there is just not enough of us on the man side of the account.  That’s how come we’re binding their conscience because that’s the jurisdiction that we’re prosecuting in is that we know that we or at least I know that I have an equitable claim.  The moment I told that guy that and he denied it he agreed that I had an equitable claim too.  What he was doing in the denial was he was waiving his own equity.  Because that’s kind of what happens is, you’re the only person that can hurt yourself, you can’t hurt anybody else.  So what happens is, and that’s what the Miranda Warning is, is the way we prove we have equitable claim is by taking that position and by letting them, the opposite of us or the foreigner, waive it against themselves and that’s how it takes place… is that they waive it on their own.  It’s there own choice that they make to neglect or to dishonor or to do whatever that waives their equities.   That’s what we’re doing is we are just pointing it out.   The choices they made was where they waived the equity.
** ….   (Couldn’t understand)….  It rings of truth …
Bc Well see what we’re dealing with is private.  The only thing that I have control over is my body and my will.  If I can keep my body under control then I know that I didn’t hurt anybody.  If my fist didn’t hit anybody else’s face, I know there is no criminal.  That’s what we’re dealing with, I know there is no injured party; therefore, I’m the only injured party.   If they’re claiming an injury all it is, is  financial.     See that’s kind of what happened was, Christ was no sinner but yet he suffered the pains of having to go through that.  Because they have to convict and innocent person to pass it through.  That’s what happens is it has to be innocent.  Otherwise the debt never gets paid.
** You can never be redeemed.  It’s really remarkable.  I was reading the bible with a whole fresh new perspective so to say and it’s quite a delightful read.
Bc See that’s how come when we go I accept your offer, I want this product, I’ll take delivery right now and then they refuse and the they throw us in jail, what they are doing is they are trying to come on you and say, “ Oh you injured them.”  When in fact they don’t have a body to injure.
** Well if you anchor all this stuff down in biblical scriptures and it’s all about exchange, contract and commerce, I think we’re all on the same page with that and they have created this complicated, convoluted, nasty bit of business to basically create this legalized plunder.  I tend to be very pro-active with this stuff and we’re trying to sift through this mess and try to bind these guys to it.  As we work through this program they just hit a wall of denial that they won’t even give us an opportunity, so what do you have to do… go create your own courts, gotta go out and educate the people… forget it!  Most of them are at a level of mind control is complacency, so it’s up to the few to be righteous within themselves if they want, and that’s the way it is the universe is perfect and we’ll just have to muddle through.  What we’re trying to hold this bureaucracy accountable up here.  I’ll tell you, it’s a real dog’s breakfast!  (chuckles)
*** Did you guys get the transcripts for May 31st where R talks about what is expected from these guys when you file the involuntary bankruptcy.  Every time they deny that’s in your favor or it doesn’t hurt you.
Bc Well here’s a good example that happened today at my friend at work.  Okay R explained to you what the terrorists are right?  Or what the terror is?
** Yeah!
Bc Okay!  Well think about it sort of like this catch phrase we have where we call it ‘Indian giving’.  Isn’t that what happened to the Indians.  See that’s what happened to the Indians when the new settlers came in.  Why?  Because they were Indian giving.   It’s where they go here, would you like to take delivery of this car and then they go and Indian give and try to get it back.  That’s the fact right there that they don’t own it.
** You know there’s a very old tradition that was here many, many years ago before the European colonist showed up here and it was called potlatch.  Have you ever heard of that?
Bc No
** Potlatch was an Indian aboriginal… abnormal tradition.  You’ll have to look that up in the dictionary to find that one.  It’s a bit of a social slur but any way the potlatch was based on the idea that the more you could give the higher your social status was and the potlatch was about inviting your neighbors to come to an event and the more you could bequeath them in terms of a gift the higher your social status was.  Course the British colonials and Europeans outlawed it.   Because after all don’t be absurd you can’t be giving away your wealth and that was called a potlatch.  So I kind of find that Indian giving concept a bit of or historical flaw.  Actually the Indians had the potlatch, where the more you gave the better you were and here now we’ve got them being Indian givers and that’s sort of taking back…. Anyway I’m digressing and I don’t mean to be….
Bc That’s okay!  I enjoy the discussion but it’s kind a like you see these little things and more then likely the Indians gave and passed title with their offer and got off their property and moved over but it’s the little things that you hear…
** Well they were actually operating in grace, right?  The more you could give the better you were.  What a wonderful concept!  And what do we have the European colonialist doing but actually outlawing the potlatch.
Bc You could say that what we’re doing is probably like that.  Like the word forgive is give first.  Fore give.  It’s like equity is based on give and take so if you have the ‘forgive’ then you’re eligible to take.   That’s something to think about.  Okay here’s a good example:  When you go to buy something… okay like what we’re doing is the difference between Abels sacrifice and Canes sacrifice, was that Cane had an interest when he made the sacrifice.  He didn’t pass title on what he burnt and so he never got a witness that he was righteous.  So that’s what we’re dealing with.  We have all these people that are offering sacrifices and none of them are passing title.
** So bringing that up to modern day is we’re talking about the affidavit… we’re talking about witnesses or…
Bc Well it’s like going, “Oh I accept your offer I’ll take delivery right now.  Can I have the keys?”  Then they say, “Oh we need your check before we can actually give you the car.”    See that’s them saying they really didn’t own the car to be able to pass title.  Because for me to take delivery they didn’t really own it to advertise it for sale.   What we’re dealing with is the world of insurance which is based on need.  So the moment someone advertises something for sale, they are announcing to the world they no longer need it.  It’s like if you look at a car dealer, the only reason they’re advertising those cars is because they don’t need them.  So the moment they say they don’t need the cars, that right there is the instant they don’t own them.
*** Wouldn’t that be like agency?  That’s when somebody acts on behalf of another.
Bc Oh yeah!  Okay.
*** They would be your agent acting on your behalf, like a real estate agent selling property for the owner…
Bc Right but I’m kind of explaining is the moment something is advertised for sale is they don’t own it.  The reason is because is they have the obligation that they just imposed upon themselves to be able to pass clear title.  So the moment they say they’ll sell it to you for $50.00 they just implied they’re going to personally pay off all the liens on that and give you free and clear title.  But see the moment … see title passes at the meeting of the minds.  So here’s the good example:  You offer it for sale or whatever it is, I accept it for sale or I accept it to take it or buy it, then right there I just owned it.  I just bought it.   But see now what he wants to do is figure out how he’s going to get paid, but hold on a second here… we had a meeting of the minds so I already own it so I’ll take it free and clear right now.  See that’s what they are trying to get out of is that they are trying to get out of the fact that the moment you had a meeting of the minds, title passed and that’s how come they continually run with disputes or arguments.
** So you keep getting back to acceptance… and you’re not being in denial, your not being argumentative.  But these guys are putting people in jail and stuff like that for…  Everyone is stumbling around cause they’ve created so many stumbling blocks…
Bc Right.  Oh yeah they do that to try to protect their property from getting taken.
** So we know that both of our countries are in a state of bankruptcy.  We know that we can move through bills of exchange and the universal commercial code as simply agreement/ contract.  We know there’s no money to pay any debt, so you get back to acceptance and return again.  We’re still running into the established court system is still throwing people into jail and stuff.  They won’t listen
Bc Oh right!  What we’re dealing with, is we have to ask ourselves, well do their judgments mean anything?.
** I guess getting back to what I was originally talking about perhaps maybe you guys have made some progress on this.  I know we’re working very hard on it up here is that if we’re looking at form and substance and there are avenues to break down… Canada truly is the 51st state.  We’re just a part of Turtle Island or I don’t care how you put it.  We are part of the Americas.  Even though we’ve got a few twists on the bureaucracy, again that is just convoluted mess they’ve set up as a obstacle for us to try to sort through.  So the bottom line is that we’re trying to find a way to unravel the form to get at the substance.  So form is just all the paperwork bureaucracy ….
Bc Okay, well with accountability, there is no accountability in the public.
** So there is none!  So I should just get over that?
Bc It’s not that there’s no hope.  But see what we have to do is we have to take them privately.  The reason there’s no accountability in the public is because they’re using securities.  Where everything is based on ratios and percentages.  Securities are all based on reserves of less then perfection, where it is just hypothecations of thin air.   See that’s what we’re dealing with is that nothing they say is never committed to value because they financed it with a security.  Why did they finance it with a security?  Because that’s what an offer is… that’s what an assumption is.  It’s the absence of a bond.  If you don’t have bonds, then you go on to securities.  Securities are when you don’t have the agreement, but you still need the money anyway.   That’s what a security is and so that’s how come there is no accountability is they have absolutely nothing!  Although they assume equity and take our bodies, it’s all started with absolutely nothing.   The only thing that really gives it credence is whether we subscribe to it or not.   You have to just address them privately, or you could write a letter asking someone to make an execution.  But you don’t want to directly execute!
*** Couldn’t you also point out barratry and malfeasance and the judge no longer has immunity and you can go after him privately.
Bc   Well yeah, but he’s not going to publicly take off his robe and remove himself from the bench but hopefully he’ll get many sleepless nights.  Because if he’s going to sell out his own species then that’s what he’s going to have to deal with.  At least I don’t have that on my conscience.  That’s the jurisdiction that we’re prosecuting in.
** Yeah!  It is a higher order isn’t it?
Bc Right!  It’s completely internal.  So what they do is they are so fully involved in evil work…
** Well they undermine that higher order…  Every turn people…
Bc But remember,  I forget which apostle talks about it but God can’t be mocked.  So when he says for every action there is going to be a reaction or for every choice there is going to be a penalty or a blessing effect.  I know that it’s going to happen.  You’re dealing with Newton’s third law.  Which is every action has equal and opposite reaction.   The course they are on right now or the course when we come in and meet them for play is Newton’s second law where an object in motion will tend to stay in motion until it’s acted on by an outside force.  They are just going to continue as corrupt as they will until the have to deal with a live principal.   But it’s going to have to square them up.  It’ll square them up.  They’ll never want to publicly do that because they’ll have to completely remove themselves from everything that is corrupt and I don’t think they are prepared to do that yet.   Little by little the change will take place.
** In court do you always ask those first 3 questions?
Bc I don’t know if you can actually say…  I don’t know if you speculate it, you just have to go with what your conscience tells you.
** R is recommending those first 3 questions all the time, isn’t he?
Bc Okay!  Well in speaking generally.  Yeah go ahead with generally, but specifically if you actually have something going on, I don’t know.  The reason you’re asking it…. What happens is you cannot witness for your own claims.  That’s what equity is.  Equity exists on witnesses!  The moment someone makes a claim it has to be substantiated by witnesses.  The witnesses are the accusers.  But see part of being a witness is that you waive your own claims and you have to be a disinterested third party.  So see what they are doing is they are being and they are actually being the party making the claim.  They don’t have any witnesses for them.
** So it’s divide and conquer.  It’s pretty hard to get a disinterred party to be a …. Showing equity and at the same time showing no interest.
Bc Exactly!  See that’s what happens!  There are no witnesses for what they are doing.  Why?  Because everyone that exists in the public is a borrower.  That’s pretty much what makes the public, public is they live by borrowing.  Because they live by borrowing its in their best interest, no matter how much they deny or refuse that it’s always in their best interest to continually torment the one they’re living off of.   It’s a host parasite relationship.  The reason they don’t have any facts is the reason they don’t have any witnesses.  Everything they do is based on a borrow.  They are borrowing your energy, they are borrowing you life, they are borrowing whatever.   See the reason they are borrowing whatever and the proof they’re borrowing is that they are not accommodating to us at all.
*** That’s why R say’s there is justice and there’s bullying.  And that’s why they have the bull market because the win through intimidation.
Bc And that’s what’s going to happen is they’re going to have a big bull market because they don’t have the support of the citizens anymore.  They get the temporary fixes of threatening citizens but they don’t really have the full hearted support.   So all they are trying to do when they throw people in jail is just a temporary fix.  Because they don’t have anything that will last an eternity.  Proof of that is interest rates.  All the money is calculated on interest which is the evidence of a decay cycle.   Because they live on a decay cycle they’re just trying to stave off their own demise.  The positions they take are the most gravis of sin.  That’s how come it needs and innocent redeemer to take that on.  As corrupt as they are they need us.  It’s in their best interest not to get rid of us.
** I just want to throttle a little bit.  You know everything you are saying makes absolute sense to me and it just rings with truth.  Unfortunately a lot of these people have earplugs in their ears so we’re trying to take these guys on without being confrontational.  We’re prepared accept and return.  We’re accepting their denial at face value and yet we’re dealing with this bureaucratic hierarchy that’s been established, you know, in North America and they refuse to relinquish equity and they’ve hidden it so carefully.   It’s really hard to try to bind them on anything.
Bc The reason is because … the reason we’re having a hard time trying to find equity there is because there is no equity there.
** So there is no equity?
Bc There!  Where we’re looking.
** You’re looking for equity in title or form….
** Yeah we’re running into here.  We’ve been searching and kinda going through this… well they’ve created new counties… big new counties, new municipalities, new districts, new regional districts, new ministries.  Well we’ve got a defacto governor general in Canada.  Nothing makes any sense.
Bc Well okay what happens is the word sense … like it makes no sense or it makes sense… tells you what side of the exchange you’re on.  When you use the phrase… Oh that makes sense or I don’t understand, that makes no sense.  It tells you what side of the exchange you’re on.
** Like the debit and credit thing?
Bc Probably the charge and the discharge!  Because when they discharge they have no sence. (cents).  See it’s a 100 cents per dollar.  So if it makes enough cents you get dollars.  When you say, “That doesn’t make any sense (cents)”.  That’s exactly what their position is.   That’s the admission right there that there’s no money.   Because they’re saying is There’s no money!   You go right!  I agree with you.   It tells me they are on the side where it’s zero and so obviously when they say it makes no sense, title passed.  If you understand it and it makes sense to you, that’s you receiving understanding that you own the property.  So when they say, “It makes no sense/cents.”  That’s telling you they didn’t own the property to even pass title or that title is passed to you now.  You now own title or you now own the substance.
** That’s great!
Bc So now just listen to it.  Like when these debt collectors and they tell you, “Oh that doesn’t make any sense.”  Well that’s exactly correct, there is no money.  But see if it makes sense, you’re on the side of the account that gets the substance.
** So I guess everything makes sense the universe is perfect as it unfolds…. That’s great!  Those are words of wisdom.
Bc When they say, “It makes no sense!” It gets into a subconscious they don’t really know what they’re doing but they’re doing it.  Here’s a good example:  Like the military, the bottom level of the military is called the privates.  Why do they call them the privates?  The reason they call them the privates is because they’re the only ones that are in clean hands… that are in clean hands enough to go in and kill their brothers.   Because the higher ups are in such bad faith that they don’t have the ability to actually go out and kill anybody.
** That’s what R said is that once you get to the Major, the Major is the one who flips the charge the other way.  It’s like bookkeeping changes form.
Bc Oh interesting!  Okay!  But that’s what’s going on.  Is everybody understands this but they don’t really know what they’re doing.  They don’t really know what their actions are actually doing.  They don’t understand that.  What we’re doing is just common place.  But we’re doing it with understanding of actually fulfilling a purpose.  They’re doing it because that’s just the way they’re taught.
** I would really like to think that we’re operating from a position of grace.  Using this information but where we’re running into a wall of form that is … it’s a house of cards and we know that but it is so convoluted and I hope you guys are having more success than us….
Bc Probably not with regards to the form.   Kind of what you did is you have to expect them to dishonor, you have to expect them to refuse.  These are all the things that you have to expect them to do.  Why?  Because there is only one Christ!  There is only one of them so that is what you’re whittling out.  You’re weighing out the pieces….
** Yeah but that’s you and me though… right?
Bc Well it’s in everything though really.
** I’d love to be able to turn the other cheek, but I’d love to be able to hold these guys feet to the fire.
Bc Oh yeah!!  Oh yeah I certainly agree.   Put it back on them but you know ….everything that they put on you, went right back on them.  The fact of the matter is that you’re a live individual that gets substance.  That’s what you’re dealing with.  Why do you get substance?  Because the fiction doesn’t hold any substance.  If there is a fiction that holds substance, then I want it.  Why?  Because it can’t use it.  All it does is just waste it.  A good example is a corporation would have a hundred cars on its lot and yet the corporation can’t use any of them.  See it serves no purpose.  But see that’s what we’re dealing with.  Your spirituality deferment is what your purpose is in life.  When they do things without a purpose it really proves out exactly what’s going on.   Like one of the things R talks about when he was in prison was that for every purchase order that was drafted up you had to have a detailed description of the purpose and see they’re making all these orders and there is no purpose for it.
** You need a detailed description for the purpose….?
Bc Before they could do up a purchase order or a money order at the prison they had to describe the purpose that they were actually doing that purchase order.  It’s like I want to go down to the bank to borrow $50,000.  Can I just do it or do I have to have a purpose for it?   Like if I’m General Motors, I need a purpose before I can just go to the Acceptance Corporation and get a loan for a hundred billion dollars.  I have to have a prospectus that I’m going to actually build cars with it.  Before I’m given anything I have to have a purpose.  See that’s what you’re dealing with cause that’s insurance.  When you need it… you get it.  That’s what we’re dealing with with all their orders.  Is they keep ordering money but they’re not entitled to it.
** So that’s like the adjustment?   They are making a claim on an adjustment on a closed account to get the bond they need to ….
Bc When they want a persons name… or like they have a car, proof that they’re selling it is proof they don’t have the money.  Why?  Because if they’re selling it…. Here’s a better way.  I was watching a stock market commercial and they were all saying “Buy Buy Buy Buy Buy” and they had like 50 of them and they were kind of making a pun on it.   All these stock market guys were saying like BUY, then one of them says SELL and then they all freak out.  Then they go buy American E-Trade or whatever.  What we’re getting at is the reason they hate the word SELL is it means liquidate, its like chapter 7 bankruptcy.   See that’s what they’re admitting the moment they advertise something for sale.
** They’re really kind of sticking their neck out.
Bc Exactly!
** They don’t have anything to sell…
Bc Oh!  Okay!  Well here’s what happens.  That’s how come you have to bind the real people.  Is because it’s the real people that can actually take care of the problem for you.  It’s the real person that can do it for you.
** Has anyone come into your car dealership buying cars on a closed account?
Bc oh I don’t know of anyone.
** Oh you haven’t done it yourself?   I guess they’d fire you, right?
Bc chuckles… I’ve thought a lot about it….  More laughter  But what happens is the moment they advertise something for sale that’s a disclosure of chapter 7 bankruptcy.  It’s a voluntary petition is what they’re doing on themselves every time they liquidate their store.
** So we’re talking transfer, this is not wholesale.  This is like a wholesale lien.  They don’t really have equity and they are offering it….
Bc Here’s what they are doing.  They’re advertising with the offer for sale, retail ownership.
** Which they don’t have!
Bc Exactly!  They don’t have it.  Why?  Because corporations can’t own anything.  Why?  Corporations borrow into existence.   That’s what capitalist stock is.   Everything the corporation acquires is borrowed money or is borrowed into existence.   Here’s what happens… Can a borrow have any claim on property that is owned by the creditor?  It’s encumbered property.  The borrower doesn’t have ownership to dispose of the property at his will because all the property is covered under a security agreement of a loan per se.
** It substance though.  These guys have the big manufacturing plants and distribution system and all the employees that are drawing payroll checks.  It seems that they are in a position that they are able to offer these items for sale.
Bc Oh they can offer them for sale but they can’t pass equity and that’s what we’re doing.  See they’ll offer you a wholesale car.  They’d love to sell it to you wholesale.  Why?  Because then the bank lien never gets paid and then you go and get a loan and reimburse that bank lien 3 times.  So they’d love to sell it to you wholesale because it’ll never get paid on.  It creates expansion for their system.  The moment they advertise something for sale it’s bankruptcy right now.  See you have to ask yourself this question… why are they selling all their substance?  They have to convert their substance into money to pay their creditors off.  So the fact they are advertising something for sale is the fact right there that they are borrowers.  But see, I’m not a borrower!  Why?  Because I didn’t accrue from the corporation.  I’m a real live individual with a spirit.  I’ve got a body.  I’ve got my own volition.  So I didn’t borrow from the corporation to acquire that car.  When I walk down and ask, “Can I take delivery today on this car?”  The moment they say, “Sure.”  I own the car right now.  See what you’re dealing with it’s kind of like back to Indian Giving is where they are renegotiating or reneging on the contract.  What happens is where their voice varied from their action.
** How would you enforce that sale?
Bc What you do is you start pointing out all the stuff they are doing.
** If you want to get it into form you’re looking for a firm offer… you’re looking for a nontransferable… you’re looking for a certificate of origin…
Bc Okay well it’s like you take your position and you don’t waiver from it.  Because one of the key things is out of the characteristics of God, the divinity, they are unvarying.  That’s what happens is a lot of times people take a position and then they vary.  A good example is they say, “Here would you like to have ownership of this car?”  “Oh sure!”  Now I own it… now they’re trying to take their equity back.  And they are varying from their actual offer.
** You know the corporation is going to step in an protect itself or their employees or…
Bc Oh yeah well their lawyer will step forward and put itself up as a private individual that actually owns the car and try and make a claim that the corporation sold me.  But see the catch is if that lawyer had a claim on the property and the corporation knew it and did not disclose that lien and it certainly did not satisfy that claim.  So when it advertised retail sale it didn’t ever pay off all the wholesale liens.
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** If I walk in and we have a meeting of the minds and write all the stuff on there of nontransferable and have a firm offer and go register that car etc …  We have a guy up here doing that.
Bc Well did they renege on giving you the car?
** No and he’s gone through three notices and my gut feeling is he should be putting that car dealership on his UCC1 form…PPS up here.
Bc Yes!  See they don’t own any of their property.  He could put the UCC1 on the corporation and list it as property and whoever … does he have a lawyer on it?
** Well I’m sure he has a legal mind there somewhere.
Bc No I mean…is there a lawyer going against them?
** Well there’s going to be a lawyer for the corporation that’s for sure but we really don’t want to go there.  Really all we’d like to be able to do is … if we could educate this guy, then we’ll sell a whole bunch of cars and make him some money!
Bc Oh NO.  That’s the opposite of what takes place.  He doesn’t make any money when he sells you the car.
** Why not?
Bc Because there is no money.  He doesn’t get paid.  That’s what you’re dealing with.
** Well doesn’t he get a credit or …
Bc The consideration he gets is a write off at the close of his taxes.  That’s what the exemption is, is the write off.
** Well how does he make a profit?
Bc He doesn’t!
** How does he buy his house?
Bc Okay now that question right there … what’s going on is and I don’t mean to put anyone defensive but we’re going to break down that question.  What happens is, that guy that can’t pay his rent has nothing to do with you getting your car.  Why?  Because if the corporation advertised that property for sale and you took title to the car then I guess then the corporation has to make sure that that guys rent gets paid.  But see that’s none of your business because that’s a wholesale lien.  You’re dealing only with the corporation that can sell you the car.  Or the person that can sell you the car and there is no other cause see the what happens is they try to get you to think that that guys mortgage and promissory note are actually the car you’re buying and they going to try to get you to think you got to pay that guys rent and all that stuff.  No that isn’t what I was buying.  I didn’t buy that guys mortgage or trust deed I bought the car.   If I had to start paying on his rent, then I get his house too.  But see that’s what you’re dealing with is all these other bills or liens that have to get paid are neither here nor their.  Because it’s the corporations obligation period.  That’s what retail sale is.   He gets paid absolutely nothing and he’s “giving the car to you without cost or fee requirements”, and he gets a complete write off for having made no profit at all.
** How does he cover his overhead?
Bc How did Chrysler clear there’s in the early 80’s?
** The government bailed them out.
Bc Perfect answer!  See here’s what you’re dealing with the world of triage which is the emergency rules, which is operation of law which is equity.  The moment they say they need something, it gets proved out if they need it.  Because you have to prove yourself worthy for the grace of God.  He doesn’t just give it to you.  You know that catch phrase… Prove yourself worthy?  That’s the qualification to prove out that you’re actually the injured party for insurance money.   That’s what the burden of proof is.  That’s how come the check does not get paid.  Why?  Because you can’t injure a corporation to actually make a true claim.  There is no one that is injured in the corporation so obviously the government won’t pay that check.  But see what they try to do is they try to personalize it so that we feel like we’re hurting somebody but see that’s a wholesale lien that the corporation is trying to pass on to you.  That’s how come that wholesale lien that got passed on to me is just another member of the corporation.  It’s because that person doesn’t have a spiritual capacity if he’s not willing to agree with me that I need a remedy.   See if he’s going to start putting all his problems upon me, and telling me that if you do this I can’t pay my mortgage and I can’t pay this and now he has all these problems.  Okay, I’ll be grateful and agree he has all those problems and I’ll return them for settlement of those problems but now I’m coming back with the problem that I have and that’s why we use the phrase “I request the remedy of this, this and this.”   Is we’re willing to agree that they have the problems, lets put it right back on them to see if they’ll agree that we have problems.   When they’re unwilling to accommodate and agree that we have problems, that’s very self-centered of them.  That’s what happens is they don’t own the car to sell it to you.   The consideration he gets is the exemption is the complete write-off of all that money.  Why is that a consideration?  Because now they know that you have property in your possession that is completely debt free and you don’t have the stress wearing down your body of paying down all those bills.  Now that you don’t have the stress you’ll find yourself much more productive but you still have to live according to your conscience.  Cause if you got everything for free there’s very few people who would actually be moral about it.  More than likely there is quite a number of people that if they got something for free would tear up the property.  They go hey if I could get this car for free, well then I’m going to use four this year so I’ll bet them all up and they start getting lavish with the property.  So the consideration you’re giving them is a moral one that it implies you’re going to use the property with a purpose.   Then it brings in that you absolutely needed the car so now what happens is … See Christ is the redeemer of the individual, where the individual is more important than the collective which is how come when the 99 sheep that were saved and he said, “Well we have to find the one that is lost.  I care more about that one.”   The 99 are already made whole.  But when one has an injury we have to everything we can to bring restitute to that single individual.  The satisfaction they get is that they made you whole.  That’s the purpose the public serves is to benefit it’s citizenry.  Not in a collective citizenry but in an individual capacity that each citizen is getting its needs met.
** Well if, just going back a little bit, and I do agree with everything you just said, but going back as a car dealership has a lot full of cars and all financed through their floor plan, who is doing that?  Is that like if it were General Motors is it GMAC financing that floor plan.  Is it based on a wholesale value of a vehicle?
Bc If you read an MSO.   MSO describes a car dealership taking delivery of a car under a first transfer.  That’s the proof that the debt never gets paid, it’s only transferred.  When you’re buying the car from the dealer you’re buying the car from the dealer, you’re buying the car from the manufacturer which is the same manufacturer that went and took the loan out.  But see on a retail sale they have to be able to pass retail title.  Which means settle all the wholesale liens.  Which is the loan that actually requires the funding of the car that actually built it.   That’s a wholesale lien.
** Right.  Okay.
Bc What happens is a closed account has value.  Here is a good example:  Its like in the business offices of this car dealership the accounts receivable, the supervisor puts them into this catch 22 where they say, “You have to get all your aging accounts settled or closed, paid or whatever, but you have to remember that any accounts you close or settle without getting paid, you won’t get a commission off.”  You can see how that works right?  … in the accounts receivable?
** Yeah if there is any money outstanding they won’t get commissions payable on that.
Bc Right well they put out this notice that if you can’t collect then you don’t get a commission but you have this obligation to make settlement or close.  See what they’re doing is the supervisors are scheming to get all these collectors to take personal interest in this case or personal interest in the account.   The personal interest that they are putting on it is just another lien.
** Right!
Bc The fact of the matter is the moment they acquired your name, I had a lien on my name.  I own my name.  Why?  Because if you look at your social security card, well down here, it says this account is established for and it has a name and number, so that’s my witness that I own that.  So whoever has that owes me.  But what they do, the thing about the birth certificates and all that, all it is, is marketing statistics and data.   They just want to know that there was a 2% increase in population so in 18 years we better have a 2% increase of jobs and cars, cause people are going to want jobs because they are going to want to buy cars.  So we’re just keeping tract of heads… and all the per capita statistics because we want to reach the age of maturity they’ll want to be able to imbibe in the benefits of the collected.    That’s what the birth certificate is about is all the marketing statistics.  It’s the reason they don’t make any more neon pink or neon yellow automobiles is because no one will buy them.  So they know they have to cater to us otherwise their products won’t get used.  If their products don’t get used then they know they serve no purpose.   They know they can’t produce babies.  The only thing they can do is make products.  They loose all ability to procreate whatever it is they’re making.  Now they have absolutely no creation.  So they know their products need to get used but what happens is the moment we tell them “Oh we’ll use it!”  then they try and tell us why they don’t want to give it to us.  But that’s the qualification for the insurance money.   You kind of have to prove out that you’re actually due to have it.  That it’s due to you.
** If we’re looking at this and thinking about the collective and seeing common law and the execution, so okay, we’re going to play this game called bail out and bail out these huge corporations to the tune of billions of dollars so they can provide the collective with the products and services that they perceive they may need.  Why does that not transcend into a broader spectrum?  I’m just asking for your opinion on this that’s all.
Bc I don’t understand the question.
** Okay if we’ve got the game bail-out being played, right? And it’s all based on marketing statistics, and they’re looking at trying to provide services to the collective.  Under the guise of what’s good for the people or what’s going to move these wheels of commerce.  I’m just curious as you might interpret the fact that instead of bailing out Chrysler they could have been bailing out Habitate or they could have been bailing out some other collective efforts that could have been more profitable and beneficial for a lot of the folks.  Like why Chrysler?
Bc … and why not something else.  You have to remember that they all have their own personal interest in it and more than likely they are all stockholders.
** Okay well that explains it.  I thought you might have something with a different twist on it.
Bc Well it’s like the Valdez Bill.  Caused like millions of dollars in damage but it increased the national growth domestic product by a couple percent.  Everyone is willing to capitalize on a problem, and see that’s what they are, they are capitalists.  It’s where ever they’re going to make the most money for their own personal coffers they are in it.   See and capitalism is the opposite of principals.
** You know it’s so funny.  You talk about the feit money system and all the taxation problems and poverty and this whole system could be used in grace.  It’s such wonderful stuff!  It’s just really kind of an unfortunate comment on these few that want to make it so unreasonable.
Bc That’s why they have the secret.  It’s all secretive to them.  But see they’re going to lock themselves out.  It’s like all the lawyers that know the game, yet deny you till your face is blue.  So that’s what’s going on but you can’t let it bother you.  You just have to take cognition that the innocent is always the one that gets run through the reamer, because he’s the only one that can actually settle the account.  When you’re coming in with good faith as a private citizen….
** You’re kind of unstoppable…
bc right,  because why?  We’re the object and design of government.  It’s for our purpose!  Our benefit!  Why?  Because I’m the citizen and I’m not too concerned if you mean the 14th amendment or corporation citizen.  I’m the real live citizen in fact!
** What you’re saying is inspiring and it’s been real delightful to chat with you tonight….
Bc … it’s like, I don’t know how familiar you guys were with all the common law courts and we read up on all our founding fathers history.  You get these understandings of how all this stuff works and how they were setting it up for our benefit.  Even though they had their own interest in it.  It’s because whoever is going to claim it gets it.
  Chit chat ****
Bc A good internal revenue code to look up is Title 26 of the Internal Revenue Code.  It’s section 4701.  The basis of that is that the tax is on the issuer of a registered required obligation.  What that describes is that whoever makes an issue pays the tax on it.
** Nine times out of ten, they create it….
Bc You can’t issue anything, because issue is offer.
** Hundred percent of the time they create it…
Bc Well see and that’s how come they are going to have to pay the tax one hundred percent of the time too.  It’s because everything they do… see issue is debt.
** That’s why you have to learn to accept it and not contest it?
Bc Well you can confess it after you’ve accepted it.   (I think there may have been a misunderstanding of word contest, not confess)  You confess to that sort of stuff, but see what you’re dealing with, is kind of like Eastern philosophy calls it karma.  Karma is like whatever you are doing is going to come right back to you kinda thing…. Well see that’s what tags on the issuer is where any issue you raise you’re going to have to pay for it.  It’s also like how it talks about in scriptures is those that dig the pits will fall in it.  And those kind of people that cast nets will get caught in their own net.  That’s what we’re dealing with.  They reap their own problem.  That’s what 4701 describes… is there is a tax on the issuer.  So whomever issues a claim… see here’s what you’re dealing with:  Issue is like offer.  See you can make a claim, but your claim is never issuing a claim as the phrase issue would be used.  It’s maturing the already issued claim.  See you’re coming back with your claim after they issued a claim.
** The same thing could be taken a lot of different ways.  I’m sure it’s not just in the Internal Revenue Code but if you went to the bank and they were sending out applications to get credit cards, they were the issuer, they were the ones that made the offer.
Bc Exactly!
** Then quite often they try to renege on the providing of it…
Bc Right!  So when you accept something… See you have to remember the key difference between the word issue and the word mature.  Mature is at the point time when something yields and it’s starting to ripen to flourish and it pays out.  Issue is like a new issue… a tender issue.  Like a baby, or an offspring or a little plant.  See what we’re dealing with is they’re on the issuing side, which is on the plant side.  They make issues or they make controversy or they make offers.  When we accept what they have to say, or we enter into contract with it, we’re maturing all their issues.  That’s what it means by don’t dispute any of the facts.   You’ve matured everything they have to say now.  But in the process of making your return, you’re putting on them a claim.  You’re putting your claim back on to them.  Where theirs was a common law claim, you’re coming back with an equitable one.  Cause whatever they claim first, you come back and make your claim second.   Because it’s tax on the issuer whoever makes the first claim is the one who is going to have to pay for it.
** Therefore you have to put them on your UCC1 form?
Bc No, well you can but it’s already claimed into evidence before you do that.  It’s like you can’t even put a contract under the UCC1 until it’s already drafted up.  Everything you do is an acceptance.  It’s really impossible to offer, unless you start talking about wayward stuff.   Everything we do is an acceptance, which means it comes second.  So the tax is on the person that goes first.
** But if they don’t fulfill their offer, then you’ve got to dishonor and put them on to your UCC1 form, hold them for lack of performance.
Bc Yes!  That’s why it’s a tax issue.  They are not paying the tax on their offers.  Which is the same as they’re not clearing title, or they’re not delivering on their obligation to perform and all these sorts of things.
** So that would be the same thing as the gift of God is making the offer to breath air and drink water and get involved, so that’s the offer.  So we can’t make an offer.  We accept that offer…. Can we accept that offer and return it for value.
Bc Oh yeah right!  When we accept it we’re making our claim now.  Because see they made a claim but they can’t prove it’s equity yet.  They assumed it’s equity but they don’t have a witness.
** So they make a presumption?…
Bc Yeah they assume the equity is theirs but the moment we make our return, see where we say, “I request my remedy..” that’s the same thing as us making a claim.  But see we’re making a claim on the equity side where they’re making a claim on the common law side.  They’ll for darn tootin claim they made an equitable claim.   But what we’re proving out is that they don’t have equity the moment that all these things took place.  Or the moment they made all these poor decisions, to refuse or dishonor you or whatever.  You just have to expect them to refuse you.   I mean that’s common.  Even when Christ was on the cross he was refused.
** Seems to be their stock in trade.  With the system they’ve created.
Bc Right!  See that’s the proof that they really don’t own it and look how hard they’re trying to keep it.   See here’s what it is - Okay in the scriptures they go secret.  Well secret is the artificial version of the word private.   I’m private in my own nature but see they know where I live.  I’m not hiding from them, I have a mail box just like everybody else but see the one thing they don’t have?  You know how R describes that they waive their state citizenship, so they can’t really be a private citizen.  They don’t really reside in the state and because they waive their state citizenship they have to go secret if they try to make any kind of claim.
** So they’re like in this foreign jurisdiction?
Bc Yeah well they go into secret… it’s the emergency room.  See that’s federal.  The public policy is the emergency room.  Because policy and emergency both run on triage which is if you need it you get it.  They don’t have the ability to own the substance so they all go secret and now they’re on the federal side.  Everything they do is an artificial version of what we’re doing.  We’re the real principal in fact because we’re the real drafters of the constitution.  You know, it’s ours.  It’s our government and being that it’s my government then okay the owner has all the risk, but at the same point in time the owner has all the risk he also has the right of disposal.  So I have the right to dispose and use all the property I want if I have the risk for it.   See that’s what true ownership is.  There version of risk is where they are always micromanaging their property because they think they’re going to loose it.   But see that’s the position that they really don’t own it cause the have the ability to loose it.  Our position is I own all the risk cause I’m the owner, the owner always has the risk, but at the same point in time I also have the right to use the property and dispose of it.   So that’s both sides of the account.  They want us to risk but they don’t want us to use the property.
** So they got the micro-macro and that kind of wraps it all up into one… my or my.
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