** Hi,  I think I’ve got some wonderful information.
R: Oh you do.  We’re always interested in information.
** Good!  Well I have some information from a guy who does a lot of involuntary bankruptcy’s and I know the attorney he uses.  What happens when they file in the bankruptcy courts, usually the company pays because they don’t want to be exposed or release the information of the debtors or creditors.
R: Okay!
** Also municipalities.  Those are chapter 9 bankruptcy.  It is called liquidating.
R: Oh… okay.
** Anyway I don’t know what kind of questions to ask him and if you have any that I need to ask.
R: What I ought to do is put you in touch with ** out in Ohio.  He is the one who has been through most of this.   He’s had a lot of luck putting away these claims.  He’s filed a number of these bankruptcies.
** Do they pay him right away?
R: I don’t know what goes on with him right away but he filed like four of them but he had a couple of them dismissed.  Then he had two of them and what they did was entered orders of denial.  Of course that is the evidence that they acknowledge what you’re doing.
** Oh cause the guy here is actually a patriot attorney.  He helps a lot of people and use to go in and represent people that were loosing their house.  As a matter he got disbarred on something he did and I’m sure exactly the details but it was something a patriot could do but an attorney could not.  Now he is helping this guy who is not really a patriot he is someone out to make money.
R: Okay… okay!  So he is using his bar to file.  Well see that won’t do it for us unless he is going to do it.
** Well he might be able to assist us or coach us on how to do it.
R: Yeah!  Yeah!  Because the involuntary petition… it’s the dishonor that charges the petition.  We don’t really have to pay any filing fees because it is the involuntary petition itself that charges for the fees.
** Is that when you ask for the appearance bond?  Are we talking that one and then when they deny it you tell them you’re accepting the dishonor and use it as …
R: Well yeah!  But anytime you get a dishonor.  Maybe that’s the level it has to be to be recognized as a dishonor.  See some of these that people say, “Well you dishonored me.”  That’s probably not in a position to be a dishonor yet.
** Oh.  Okay.
R: Follow?  I’m not sure what would actually have to be there but that might be a question you might want to bring up to this guy.
** Okay I can do that.  I think he also is fairly versed on the UCC codes.
R: Something else!  I’ve got some people I talk to up in Canada.  They seem to have better luck with the little stuff then we are down here.
** That is probably true cause I think also different states and if it is a big city or small community.   Around here they act like they’ve never heard of an appearance bond.
R: Well here’s the thing.  The minute they start to take that attitude, well then just press them and state, “Well if you don’t know what it is then Buddy, then you don’t have a charge to detain me!”  “You’re detaining me without providing me with an appearance bond, you are bankrupt!  You’re bankrupt pure and simple and that means that you or your attorney is a foreigner and you people are in violation of the Green River Ordinance!  You don’t have a bond here to come up town.”  See they have to register with the Secretary of State as a foreigner.  See now they’re preceding onto the same property under the statutes.  And under the statutes then they are going to have to bond their positions cause they’ve waived their citizenship in equity as a matter of by the bar.
** Oh
R: When they’ve gone to the bar, they’ve waived their citizenship.  So now the reason is they’re proceeding in equity.  The minute we show them in dishonor and they can’t come to equity with clean hands now the only thing that is left to them is the statutes and they’ve got to bond their action.  They’ve got to register as a foreigner.
** Interesting.  That’s why we send a lot of the dishonors to the Secretary of State as the registered agent.
R: Yes!  And if these guys haven’t registered and posted bond, you see, they are just traveling in the local community as a racketeer.
** Right!  Those who make the charges have to make it right.  I look at that appearance bond as the insurance.  Like to go drive your car you need insurance
R: Yeah!
** and the fee waiver for personal recognizance as the exchange.
R: Well see that’s when they have to recognize your name in the appearance.
** As the form… the strawman?
R: They have to recognize you as the real principal.
** I thought we were casting the shadow for the strawman in our appearance and that separated us from the form from the substance.
R: Well that still means that you’re the object of the idea.  It means that we are the principal in fact.  They’ve got to post bond themselves.  That’s why when you say, “Release me on my own personal recognizance, because I can’t plea to the charge unless I have the bond to do it of my own free will.”  That’s why I tell them also, “I don’t plan to dispute any of the facts.”  See now they don’t have any reason to not give me the bond.  I’m stating, “I’m not going to dispute your facts.  You see, so we aren’t going to trial.”
** Now what do you think about when some of these people continue to nag and constantly call regarding collection would it be wise or would it be making an offer to them if you just said, “make settlement or lets go to court.”
R: Well I don’t know whether I’d use “Let’s go to court.”  Cause when they dishonor you, that’s a criminal charge.  See when you tell them, “I’m going to use a dishonor to charge an involuntary bankruptcy.”
** Okay, so basically what we need to get cleared up is what is a real dishonor?
R: Right!  And it is a delinquent tax.  A delinquent tax is what comes from levy and that is what is the criminal charge.  We are the tax collectors!  So when we tell them, “Hey Buddy, you’re bankrupt!”  That also means that they are tax delinquent.
** Right.  Also who is using the exemption!
R: Yes and because the exemption rests in that particular building, like the courthouse.  Why?  Because on the levies is what was assessed by the tax assessor or it could have been a municipal assessor or it could have been a township assessor.
** Oh you know what they are doing on some of this where people are paying with the private account they judges are just totally ignoring all of it and they reverse that it is paid.
R: That is why we have to put their name on the involuntary petition.
** Right!  On them personally.
R: Did you ever get a copy of these involuntary bankruptcy petitions?
** Yeah I got one from J*.    Are you talking about form 303?
R: Yeah the form but I’m talking about a petition that has actually been filed.
**  It was a filing of a man’s name doing business as a judge.  We have several pages on that.
R: Was that ** ** in Ohio?
** I don’t know it didn’t have that name on there as the person filing just the judges name.
R: Okay… that’s the one.
** so you don’t need to fill out the other forms?
R: Right.  He worked up his own petition.  Did that show a copy of the law review where they published it?
** I’m not sure and I don’t have it in front of me.  I’ll check it out.   It was like 3 or 4 pages.
R: Well there are some other pages that show where it was in the law review and I guess the newspaper held out there that this was the first involuntary petition that have been filed there in ten years.
** No kidding!  Wow.  Cause this one guy takes over companies.  Now what his purpose is I don’t know.  This guy is the one who actually clued the attorney on to this.  Even if we do them ourselves we could possible ask if we need it.
R: K* is close to doing those things.  I don’t know exactly where he is at with some of those things…other than paying the tax
** He is in pretty good position because he has put his name on the mailing list for this college that the property managers in that building he was in.  These are new to the job.  When he was there the management firm he originally started with left.  If he went after the owner personally I’ll bet that would get their attention….
R: Yea.
** Oh and that other guy that I talked to you about last time we spoke.  I don’t know the outcome other than he is still in jail on the weapons charges.  He may have been somewhat occupied to try to understand all of this new information at such short notice cause I was trying to tell him just before he had to go appear and I still don’t know if he had a public defender or not.   I sent him some transcripts today and maybe that will help him before he goes to court on the 18th of this month.
R: This should work for that same way as for anything else.
** Another thing that has been happening is people who have paid off their mortgages and the banks and trustees are ignoring or reversing entry and continuing the foreclosure process.  See out here in California being a non-judicial foreclosure you don’t have a chance to go to court…
R: What do you mean non-judicial?
** Well apparently you agree at the time of the loan origination that if you don’t make your payments the trustee can just start moving on you to foreclose.  You don’t pay… they take.
R: If these are foreclosures… Remember this:  Foreclosure means that it has happened prior.
So if you’ve got closure you’ve got remedy.  So what you do.  These people that are pressing foreclosure and fail to deliver the property over to you are in violation of the foreclosure order.
Remember, when I went to court.  I told the judge, “I’ve accepted and returned and I want closure! And I don’t plan to dispute any of the facts.”  She told me, “I understand what you want but you have to come before me before we can do that.”  She said, “What are you going to do about bond?”  and I said, “I’m going to request an appearance bond on my own personal recognizance with out cost to me and if it’s refused then I’ll use it as an involuntary bankruptcy petition.  To charge the petition.”
Okay?… so she set the date for the following week and said, “I’ll fax it over there, you sign it and you’re out of there.
** By all of what happened when you were in there, and the State Attorney that thinks he’s got you on a 3 year probation that all went away as well didn’t it.?
R: Oh yeah.
** I thought so!  Now the other thing, by you paying all those taxes, like those 9 checks and they didn’t say boo about the ones you wrote to the individual treasurer.  Was that on other properties?
R: Some of it was… Some of it was properties that the county treasure had given me because she gave me all the other properties that were in this persons name.  Some of it I hadn’t even asked her for.
** Okay that makes sense.  We were wondering if you had been paying on these or paid 2 or 3 times on the same property.
R: I’ll bet you I had no less than 35 parcels!
** chuckles… You definitely cover all bases…
R: Well I had 14 parcels of my own.  See the reason she had given me the others was because they were other properties that had the same names.   She gave me a print out of everything.  So it was just a matter of where the charge followed them.   See now because we’re charging this account, well just charge those other accounts too.
** Okay now with this one lady that has done this and they are still foreclosing and the judge is removing …
R: He can’t acknowledge that in a public court cause it happened on the private side.
** What would be her best course of action in that case?
R: The involuntary bankruptcy!   See if they come in under the statutes is what they’re going to have to do.   That’s what they did with me.  They’re charging me with a state’s statute but then you see the states attorney had to be indemnified for that and that’s when I signed the Personal recognizance bond.
** Okay.  So a lot of this for you to clean it up on the public side you almost do have to get it in a court position to make them do that?
R: Yeah!  Well you see what you do, you admit to the foreclosure because the foreclosure order it works for you because it said “Fore” it happened prior.  That’s a prior event that they did.  Okay I accept that order…. Now Buddy, where is the delivery of the property in lieu of the money?  Now you see those people are in violation of the securities and exchange requirements.
** Okay.   We had a gal that wrote a letter to provide information to them regarding a dishonor etc and they did write back and told her that they noticed that she had also sent it to the IRS and that is the proper place to report such information.
R: To the tax director?  Because in the tax district.  See whenever you are sitting in a district court you’re sitting in DC.
** Exactly!
R: So if these guys are spelling out the name of the state…
** Right trying to get an article 3 court from my old common law thinking…
R: Yeah!  They aren’t even in the tax district.  Because they’re not designating the DC state…
** What about circuit court, is that the same thing since it’s a charge…?
R: Not really!  Those are closed circuits.  Those are …
** I think here we have district which is federal and superior which is state…
R: Well you have the 9th circuit…
** Right.  Oh I forgot about the appeals courts.
R: Yeah that’s when they go internal as opposed to the outstanding.  See if they’re outstanding, they are outside.  But if they go internal they go into the closed circuit.
** Okay I’m not sure which order they go but I think that you go from state to federal then to appeal… I can’t remember or even if I ever knew.
R: Well when you take it to federal that’s district, tax district.  So if you appeal it into the 9th circuit then you go into the municipals.  Municipals govern the tax district.  See the municipals are the ones that fund the taxes.
** Oh, okay.
R: Put another way.  Your banks are funded by municipal funds.  Then of course when a bank takes a deposit of municipal funds they also have to purchase surplus bonds.  So they really have to write their checks if they want a deposit.  They just write their municipal checks for the surplus bonds…
** So that’s why they think they are exempt because they think they’ve prepaid when they buy surplus bonds.
R: Sure!  But that means they assume they represent the principal.  Now we’re coming in at them in fact and displacing that so we have to figure out the methods they are using to do that quick change where the judge doesn’t apparently think he has to listen to what’s going on.  He can just bull his way through.
** That’s what they are doing!  They are so out of control!
R: Bully his way through!  That’s the bull market.
** I understand that they had some success in Mich. with someone using this new procedure and the judge dropped the charges.  I don’t know about people who are already sentenced on how they can position this to make it work for them.  Is it possible to do that?
R: Well we have to bring the bankruptcy to bear on them.   I know people who have been sentenced and have been in prison and when the writ of habeas corpus was used properly and brought the evidence to bear on them… then bang!  They got an immediate release.
** Oh good!  Then there is hope!
R: Oh yeah.  This business of watching the Israelis and Palestine going at it….   Some commentator was mentioning and he used the word twice about the making the settlement without delay.  He sort of went out of his way a little bit, I thought, to make sure that word went on to the conclusion to the statement he was making.   Without delay means that there is not any medium of exchange.
** Well you know what is going on right now.  Have you heard that the U.S. is now officially in to the International Criminal Court.  Supposedly the world court is responsible for making the countries go back on precious metals backed money called NESARA.   Apparently Clinton signed it in his last few days in office and Bush is trying to change it.  They are keeping the people all optimistic about it because they are promised in the NESARA all debts will be forgiven.  My opinion is that this is some political agenda of one party like the demoncrats trying to pull something against the republicrats.  They are all so corrupt.
R: Well I think it was okay before because it was backed by faith and credit of the United States, the contracts.  Yeah and that’s the gold drawing rights of the IMF.
** And the IMF is almost everywhere in the world…
R: Yeah.  And the countries that aren’t have taken foreign aide from this country or countries in the IMF.  They are still part of the system whether they like it or not.  I think that it’s a waste of time for these people that are trying to alter that.  They are going against the foundation of physics that the entire universe is based on.
    Chit chat about Egypt and the history channel and talking about the technology was more advanced then and we haven’t caught up with it yet.
R: If you are the debtor and you plead guilty to the charge that you are the debtor, well as soon as they discharge the bond you are the creditor instantly and now they are the debtor.  They have the obligation to you because you’ve indemnified them to pay the debts.
** Oh.  Okay now when you were doing that with the state attorney, when you told the judge, “we have an agreement.” Cause you wanted to make sure you got that dialogue in there to make her aware that you had accepted now you owned the agreement….  Did you accept something with the states attorney prior to meeting with the judge?
R: No we just agreed and he agreed to go after my personal property you know that was loose in some of the hands of these people too.  We just shook hands on it.
** chuckles…. Okay so just a gentle mans agreement…
R: Yep!  See but I don’t know whether they knew that I understand that as soon as they discharge the bond, then we trade places.
** Today I had the attorney general from Oregon call me.  A few months ago someone had bought a couple of my seminars and apparently after four months, the results they wanted didn’t work they way they wanted and thought I had a guarantee … anyway they reported me to the attorney general so I accepted her notice and wrote her a check from my private account.  Well today when she called she was calling because I had not sent a replacement check because the one I wrote was no good.  I asked her, “Well did you add your check to it to make it good?”  I think I really surprised her with that.  She started in on me with how I had a problem etc.  I told her, “The people assigned the obligation of my acceptance over to her.”   She sort of went off on me again so I told her to put her comments and thoughts on paper and send them to me and thanked her for calling and hung up on her.  I’m sort of mad at myself now because I forgot to ask her who was using the exemption.
R: What you need to start doing is just accuse them of being bankrupt.
** Oh I know.  They do catch you off guard and I don’t want to have to go through the telephone screening and live behind an answering machine.  Usually I keep little post it stickers with buzz words that I use as memory pegs but I’ve revised some things in my apt.
R: We’ll figure out how to greet them really good.  Here’s what I did.  I had one of them call me and tell me that it was my payment and that I owed the money and that I had given them a check and they said they didn’t get paid.  Well I said, “That’s right now you admit that I’m eligible for the waiver according to public policy cause there isn’t any money.”  Then he kept ragging on it so I said, “Hey Buddy, you’re bankrupt!  Because of that I gave you my check and now we’ve got a third party witness that there is no money.”  He said, “No I’m not bankrupt!”  I said, “Oh!  You’re not!  That’s good then you go ahead and pay the account then!”  I told him, “You work for me you know.”  Then he starts his rhetoric all over again so I just said, “You’re fired!” and just hung up the phone on him.
** Good!  These are the kind of things that we need to get prepared for.  See we weren’t sure of how much you can actually say without setting up a profile they can use against us and didn’t want to say to much.  But now that we have a better understanding of what’s going on it makes it less frustrating being able to have dialogue.
R: Well the other thing you could ask to is,  “Do you have your red shoes on?”  Then tell her,  “Well you can’t walk on the yellow brick road without having your red shoes on.”    (laughter)
** That ought to really set her into the state of confusion!
R: We use to have a lieutenant that was a female in the prison and wear those color codes on occasion so they adhere to those.
** Oh I agree!  This whole system is symbols and color codes.  People try to tell us to stay away from astrology, but the whole Vatican is decorated with astrological symbols, plus all the dress like robs in court and church, etc…
R: Oh before I forget, I did get a check for $6,000 from one county treasurer.  But it’s a deal that I went in and paid the taxes on a corporation and of course I left the check in the bank for about week or week and a half then I got a stop payment order on it.  I’m finding out that the stop payment didn’t come from county that it was written on.  It was the holding company of the bank.
** Somebody else got something strange like that from a holding company… We were wondering what is a holding company?  Wouldn’t that be like the clearing house?…
R: Yeah.  Well right now the focus is on the levy.  See the levy is what puts the criminal charge into everything.  That’s what charges everything with the magnetism.
** Even if it is a civil, it’s still criminal?
R: Yeah!  Civil is based on indirect evidence.  The criminal is direct.  So you see that’s what I was saying when this guy was talking about Israelis and Palistinians getting some sort of resolution, he said something here without delay.  That meant that there is no medium of exchange.  So it must mean return of the property immediately.   Because there can’t be…. See once you go into a medium of exchange you see, what happens is you have a delay interval.  Because you’re exchanging the property of light changing it into another medium until it reaches the owner then of course it changes back to light again.
** That’s like crossing the foreign border?
R: Humhum… yea.  See it’s just like your pyramid.  You got your points A, B and C.  Points on the pyramid.  Class A would be like a class A misdemeanor for instance, equivalent to a class A security coming from the cashier of the bank which would be a cashiers check.  Now the class Bside is the one that’s the trust company.  See the trust company can’t fund the cashier directly.
** Okay.  Cause when you were talking in court and you told her that it was the bank trustee..
R: No… no the bank collector.
** Right.  Okay but it is always the bank that closes the account because we don’t work at the banks so we wouldn’t be the one closing it.
R: So you see those particular people, the class B agent can not fund the class A agent directly so then the class B would charge the class C and these are all class A, B and C misdemeanors.  Okay?  So now they go to the class C, which could be an informant or it could be an investigator who is invested in the undertaking.  Now that informant or that investigator can agree with the class B trustee to charge the Class A.  So now they’ve got a class A security.  But you see for me going criminal and pleading to the charge you see I can charge the class A security directly.  Treasury Direct.
** Treasury direct!  Okay got it!
R: That’s the difference.  Cause when I went into that one office I was telling you about where my friend had come in there with me and I asked the treasurer to give me parcel numbers and assessments under the name of that guy.  Course she said there isn’t any property that comes up in his name.   (refer to transcript Mar 29) So then I said, “Well I know he owns a house in town.  The property must be in some body else’s name.”  She hesitated for a while then she said, “Well I know his wife personally… and the property is in her name.
** Oh yeah she totally gave you the store on that one!  Hey what do you think about somebody that has a corporation or company and they list it on a UCC1 that they own it and can they then treat it like the strawman, paying the bills with private accounts etc?
R: Sure they can take it and list it as their personal property.  Because that’s what AKA is anyway.  It’s just you operating in another name.
** Right.  Okay.  That’s what I thought but wasn’t sure if it goes into the fiction.
R: Now getting back to this lady telling me this property was in his wife’s name.  Well the reason was is this guy was an attorney.  He couldn’t hold the property in his own name.   That’s why it was in her name.  He used to be the states attorney in that county that started all this trouble for me.
** So attorneys cannot hold property in their name?
R: No… no not unless they go in and bond the action and register with the Sec of State.  Otherwise they’re foreigners and they are operating in the local community without a fidelity bond.
** They’re infidels…
R: They’re infidels… they’re foreigners and strangers and therefore that is why they’ve got to register.  And they have got to indemnify any parties that could become injured due to their claims in the local community.  See it’s an ordinance.  It’s not statute.  It’s ordinance!
** Okay it’s ordinance.  See when people contact me regarding credit card or whatever I just tell them my business with you is completed I have authorized the Sec of State to pay you with the surplus bonds… you contact them.  After what I’ve learned about involuntary bankruptcy, I think that is the next avenue to take for quicker smoother…
R: Yeah!  I think they’re going to find some hard times going against the waters when they are listed on bankruptcy proceedings.  Oh and some other thing I don’t know if I told you about the conversation with the county treasurer.  When she finally gave me the print out … And I think what we need to do is ask for the tax statement, instead of the tax bill…when I’ve asked for the tax bill I had one lady tell me we don’t give bills.
** So the tax statement.  Oh that’s because it has all the bonds and items that the tax bill is suppose to cover…
R: Or it could be the supplemental bill, that’s fine.
** I think the supplemental bill has everything itemized on there also.  I think it is a duplicate.
R: But still for me some of these the way they’ve acted so I’ve asked to be put on the mailing list for the tax statement and they’ve relented.  Anyway what I wanted to say.  Before I left there I made a remark to the county treasurer I commented that everything went so smooth but I said to her, “Since the twin towers have went down we need to have a real live principal on the account now.”  She said, “That’s right.”
** I wonder how much she really understood of that.
R: Oh I think she did.  She turned almost back toward facing me and said, “that’s right.”  She was walking away from me when I said it and she turned back around to respond.  I think she made a definite response to answer that.
** Good I hope so.  Some people out there do know, but other people in positions that badger us haven’t a clue.
R: See I think that you can just go and make the address change on the account.  Now as we go through this next year, they are going to have to go through and recognize you as being the principal on the account.  That means probably that you’re just taking over the position where Freddie Mac or Fannie Mae has been.
** I don’t think I’m totally understanding this concept.
R: Okay, see whenever the state assumes the position on your property, they abate the taxes.  The abatement means that the state can’t tax it.  So your personal property rights are being held within that courthouse.  And the courthouse is reporting a “no tax due”.  They are using the exemption.  So if you’ve got a controversy in that courthouse I think you can ask the Clerk of Court or the States Attorney or the County attorney for an accounting and a certificate of origin to show the principal under which they’ve obtained the exemption of zero balance due.  Now you may have to take the parcel number to the courthouse where they’ve showed no tax due and attach it into evidence on your bankruptcy petition.
Oh and these people that can’t seem to stop the process coming against them.  I think that the banks or whoever would have an interest would need to be given notice and I think what would do it would be the credit companies.   The credit reporting companies.
** Credit reporting companies??…
R: Yeah like the nationals.  See because I think when that happens and these people are reported then it changes that position in there that you’re talking about.  You see once the levy goes into the state, it removes the bank mortgage and all liens.
** I think I’m understanding why you want to be put on the mailing list, if you notify the county treasurer…
R: Okay now you want to tell them that you want to make an address correction.  You don’t want to change it you want to make an address correction.  Now I’m going to tell you about this lady I was helping out in Colorado.  She took 2 or 3 runs at it and finally I had to help clean it up for her cause she was a little bit scattered with what she was trying to do.
** Right I talked to her and emailed her some transcripts to help bring her up to speed…  I was talking with her when she was notified that the address didn’t need correcting so I was confused about the next step as well…
R: She wasn’t using the correct words I told her.  This time write it out exactly as I say it and put it in a fax.  This time we told them she had used a poor choice of words and tell them the previous request that I made here was a poor choice of words.  What we really want is the address correction on the account.  She was changing it to the same name that was already on it.  She was trying to protect herself against the foreclosure.  So I just told her to tell them, prior request was poor choice of words and what she really wanted was to correct or make the address correction because the source that they had used to place her name into the account previously was only assumed and now we wanted to make the correction in fact so that the assumption could not destroy the fact.  We just kept referring to the correction.  Well anyway they took this one and came back and told her well our machines won’t allow us to put it in exactly like you gave it to us.  See now they are trying to make some sort of an excuse.  They are already accepting what we had said.  They are not disputing that at all.  I just told her to go back on them and state that even though the correction information I gave you is not precisely what your recording methods require it is sufficient that the correction is made at my request and it is immaterial and insignificant so go ahead and change it according to those conditions.
** I’m understanding it now.  It’s been so illusive to me.  The dots wouldn’t connect.
R: Well see like when I made that remark to the treasurer since the twin towers went down, see that was the artificial principal that collapsed, both towers, north and south.  That’s a debit and credit both.  They both collapsed.  See those weren’t right and left or east and west they were north and south so that is fore and aft.
** Oh this is also interesting with the Catholic church and the popes hat that looks like the fish head.  You said that was fore and aft.
R: So when I said there must be a real live principal on the account and now we just brought it in on fact as opposed to what is assumed.   Even if your name is in there just like you’re going to put on there you go put it on there anyway in telling them cause the source that you use to place that name on the account.  Assumed… now you see you tell them, “I’m requesting that the correction be made now as a matter of fact.”  Once you have that connection made I don’t think we need to use the checks.
** Oh to pay the taxes?
R: Right.  Now because once we get those statements, then I think we can just go and tell the delinquent party to go ahead and pay them.  Just write them a letter and tell them to please pay these taxes before they become delinquent or whatever.  Now see they are paying them to your request.   Those would be the people that they’ve assumed in lot of cases are the owners of the property.
** Okay so now they’re going to pay the taxes and what’s that going to do for you?
R: Well!  It looks to me instead of Freddie Mac being the principal on the account now I’m on the account as being the principal.  So when they pay in, now you see the fiscal year and the calendar year come together and it goes to zero.
** Oh so now they have to send you a check?
R: Yes!
** Wow!  I got it!
R: And I think that if they are going to keep any of their bank loans alive… for the bank to be able to say they have a mortgage, they have to write a check to Freddie Mac.
** Now for me to do this on the house they took from me and I didn’t do an acceptance and return etc I would still have an equitable claim right?
R: Sure!  They are the ones that don’t have an equitable claim.  Otherwise it is abandon property.
** This is getting exciting!  I got some new nuggets!  Perfect.
R: One other thing… Once those liens are removed under those conditions, you see then the state can’t take the property.  So what happens is the property goes into abatement, the waters have abated now that Noah’s Arc has touched down on Mt. Aerate.(?) .  Waters have abated so now they have no covering.  It was after the waters have abated that we can go to the land again.  Repopulate the land again… male and female.   When the state can’t tax the property, at that point the property comes off the tax rolls but they really don’t tell anybody.  Tax time comes and goes by and they don’t get a tax bill and so when they don’t get the tax bill of course the state is taking the exemption.  And then what the county does is the county even though they don’t collect those taxes they still spend the money.  So then what they do, the state, doesn’t actually give the county a check but they always now refer that the state has bought the account.  But the don’t.  As soon as the abatement occurs the county just puts the account over to the other side of the ledger and then say, well the state credited our account and then they write their checks on the credit.  So you see that’s actually the title company guarantee that is guarantying the equity title when they rob you of your property and put somebody else in there.  Well that’s the guarantee that they make.  So when we come in here and get a discharge on the bond, that’s the bond that they have to rely on for actual payment.  Because that states attorney that brought those charges against me, he actually issued a check off his desk and charged me for it because he didn’t have an account.  I had an account but he didn’t.  The first one they charged me for a draft of check without an account.
** Right!  Right!
R: But then the warrant said that I was charged for issuing a check on an account closed.
** That was the warrant issued on the no account?…
R: But the complaint said something different.  That’s the warrant that they issued the appearance bond on.
** So who ever makes the charges is the one who has to pay the debt.
R: That’s right!   Lot of people wonder here… Well what happens if all this property comes off the tax roll then they haven’t got any taxes.  But see that’s not so.  The county just writes a check off the credit column.  They just move the debts to the credit side and the just start writing checks to the limits to whatever the assessments are made here on the real estate.
** I could actually do that on the apt. bldg. Here where I live.  I think I’ll do that.
R: Sure.  Because you see when you go after the equity on somebody that’s in there, you see and you go to the owner and tell them, “I have this claim and I want you to pay this claim because the equity has something to do with an agreement you have with one of your tenant and that’s the equity that belongs to me.  Now if you won’t pay it, I have no way of separating it so I’m going to have to sell the building to get at the equity.”
** Oh I love this!  I hope K* understands this cause I think he’s got himself in a very good position.  I’ll pass this on to him.
R: We talked about this a little bit and I think he understands this pretty well.
** Well we talked about this correction before and guessed at if for several different ways of understanding but today cleared up a lot for me.
R: See that’s why they call all the prisons… Correctional centers.  Correct of the national debt.
** Oh this has been a wonderful conversation.  ….  Thank you!  Thank you!  Thank you!