** Oh Hi, hope I’m not calling too late.

R: No, no

** Good, I won’t keep you very long.  I just wanted to touch base with you and let you know about the corporation.

R: Okay, good.  I’ve only had a chance to look over some of it.  Mainly the stuff about the chapter S and the C corp.

** Well we put some stuff in there of what we were looking at like the Incorporator and looking for directors and those kind of positions.  We also filled in a lot of the blanks on the forms from the paperwork that we have.

R: Oh, okay.

** What I was going to do is stick this in an envelope and mail it to you.  This week sometime I was going to check for an Incorporator in Delaware unless you know of one.

R: No… but I think--.  Well I’ll tell you I do have papers that the secretary of state out there that they put in the packets that when someone requests information from back there they include a list of names in the paperwork.

** Okay.  See we just got the information from a book that we obtained from the bookstore.  It did have some forms in there.

R: I’ve got some, course it’s been quite awhile since I’ve looked at it and I’m just so swamped here with all this paper…

** Oh I know and that’s why we’re trying to do as much as we can with possibly the information that you give me.  I know you mentioned the corporation and if there is any way we can do some of that and take that burden off of you.

R: The main thing, and I can see that just by reading this stuff, is that all corporations, their purpose is to take distressed property and give it to the rightful owners, period.

** Oh okay

R: You had a certificate from Delaware in there that was in the book when I got it, right?

** It might have been.  We have another book that actually had a CD in there that you could write on the forms, and it’s got all the articles and by-laws…so it can be customized without having to retype everything, so that’s what we were using.

R: Well these were some simple forms and I had some of them already.  There was one statement that stood out in there and that says it all.  This is the statement.  Well it goes: First: The name of the Corporation is and a place to put it.  Second:  It’s registered office in the state of Delaware, and so forth… registered agent in charge is: and so forth…

** Oh right and we were thinking about a name, what do you think of Straight Street?

R: chuckling… well that might be alright.

** That’s K* idea…. Apparently he got that from you.

R: Oh, (chuckles),

** Supposedly it is straight is the path and narrow is the way… or something like that…

R: Yeah well it is more than the street.  There is the street and the avenue.  When you are dealing with these addresses it goes all the way around the block…

** Right to know if you’re getting a square deal and all the courts usually have one way streets around them.  (little chuckles)

R: Okay now here is something in this corporation…You’re probably familiar so I won’t have to get to detailed.   There are about 8 deals here with this, but the 3rd one talks about this corporation shall be a nonprofit corporation and the nature of business and the objects and purposes purposed to be transacted, promoted and carried on are to engage in any lawful act of activity for which corporations may be organized under the general corporation law of Delaware to purchase distressed property and make it available to the rightful owners.

** Now is that what we put on there or is that preprinted?

R: No that’s part of the form…

** Whoa.  I don’t think we saw that.  That is what we were putting in there because of you telling me that earlier.  When we were working on this we each had a book and they were all different and we were sort of comparing because some were old and some were current.  We were filling out the forms that we sent you.  We were sort of going through and making a list of all the things we need to do.  We need to find an incorporator, members, directors, think of a name so we could get it sent in.  We were looking at all the little fees of $15 here, $25.00 for something else, etc.  Total of about $500, if that, unless we are going to be doing this with private equity or our private accounts.

R: Okay now there is a form here where that same message is written in long hand.

** That was on the forms in the book?  Like I said we each had a book and some of the books had forms but I think we printed some off the internet also.

R: See I think that statement says it all.  I think that statement is the purpose of any corporation and you see they just omit it.  The fact of the matter is that is one of the principals of equity and also the purpose for which the equity is to be disbursed.  So that is the purpose but you see when they dishonor you they’re subject to having their corporate charter revoked.  See when I was in prison I worked in a couple places.  One was construction and one was air conditioning but I worked also as a clerk.  So lot of times when they had to buy things on the outside they had catalogues and other things like that, that we would purchase from and I had to work up the purchase orders.   Okay well whenever I did that sometimes when I’d get an order to do that it would take me a while to get together everything and get it worked up and then I had to get the codes and put them on the forms…

** Purchase order numbers….

R: Right, then if they didn’t have a stated purpose I’d have to go look up some of the supervisors and find out what the purpose was.

** Oh, so these corporations are suppose to have their purpose publicized?

R: Yeah… It had to be right on the purchase order.

** Oh isn’t that interesting.  Why did you select Delaware over Nevada…  Any particular reason?

R: Well I don’t know other than this is where all the credit card companies come from…

** Some other states are starting to protect and are trying to get more corporations established in their state, like Maryland, Wyoming, and I think there are some other ones in that book you got.
We were thinking about Nevada because of the privacy, but I guess we don’t care that much about privacy do we?

R: No.  We don’t need to hide.  No the reason we are incorporating is to bind the public to their own rules.

** Right.  Oh I had an interesting conversation last night with a childhood friend that I went to school with and still stay in touch.  She took the civil service tests and went to work for the federal government and has worked for social security, IRS and US Geological Survey services for the past 33 years and she was commenting on how the government is so good to the people and that now that she is retired and working in the private sector she thinks they are so much more unorganized than the government.  She also worked for HUD and she was commenting on how people can be foreclosed on from HUD and turn right around and get another HUD loan.  The people are forgiven and don’t even pay any attention to whether they have bad credit or not.  She at one time worked for IRS and went through extensive training, I think somewhere in Missouri, to go out and collect directly from the people and order items confiscated to be sold for revenue.  I asked her, when she goes out there to collect, what do you base that on, what law are you using to go do that.  Her comment was everyone knows they owe taxes.  I said, “Well I don’t know that.  Where does that come from?”  Anyway the conversation got a little heated but she says, “What do you mean you don’t know why you have to pay taxes… that you’re responsible to pay so this country can provide you all the things that people enjoy that they don’t have to pay for.”  “What about all the things that the government does for the people, like the education, health care etc.”  You know, I honestly don’t think she realizes what’s going on because she has been so conditioned by the government.

R: That’s right.  You see everything is implied.  Because they are basing everything on assumption.

** Right.  And it truly is that she hasn’t a clue.  She ended up saying she was going to do a little research and get me the answers to my question…. Then I also mentioned to her, because she also worked for Social Security for about 9 years.  I asked her about the symbol on the social security card?  I asked, “Do you know what that means?”  She admitted she didn’t but would get back to me on that because she said the lady she worked for knew all that.  I’ll get back to you when I find out.
I didn’t tell her your feelings about it being the Greek Orders on the side, with the capital on top of that with the Lintel making it the doorway.

R: Oh yeah.

** It’s interesting to talk to these people on the inside to get their input from what they were trained to understand.

R: Because then you never know when it finally dawns on these people how totally ignorant they were.

** Oh one of the main thing she was talking about… she was a real Clinton lover and I was telling her how Clinton totally ruined the morality of this country.  One of the things she was talking about that she was really craving was for more spirituality in her life.  The whole time she was involved with working for government she was never involved in anything relating to God, the bible or anything like that.  In private sector where she is volunteering I guess that is very prevalent and she can’t get enough.  She got away from government and now she is seeking a conscience.  Boy will she get a treat when she opens up a little more to redemption!

R: You see I had a conversation when I acquired this tractor that I got.  Well one of the interesting conversations that I had was with the accountant from the bank.  Now that was actually the accountant for their business to.

** Interesting

R: They tried to dispute some of that, but these people were speaking for them when they all come in and tried to interrogate me, calling me up on the phone.  But this lady she starts in… she’s very friendly and easy to converse with and tries to steer things.  I could see her doing this so I was waiting for it.  I’m just wondering where she is going to try to bite me.  Well as we got through the conversation she admitted the exemption that they get from me is the consideration.  But they can’t wait until the end of the year cause they file in the calendar year…. They’re not filing quarterly.  If that’s the case, it’s just like the rules here between an S-Corporation and a C-Corp.  But they can’t use those just for delay either.  That’s what they’re doing.

** Right because they have to show that the majority of the business comes at the end of the months they use as their fiscal.

R: Yeah.  Well anyway, she went along and didn’t press me when I told her this is the way it is.  But I could then she was going to try and make a run from something else.  We’re dealing with the facts and I happen to know enough of the bookkeeping she couldn’t contest any of it.  So anyway, then she said, “Yeah but, we have to assume they don’t know”.  They’re just small business men and they don’t know what you were really paying them with, or how you were really paying them.
She said, “we just have to assume they don’t know that.”  We’d had a little discussion about these guys earlier about what their mind set was.  When I told them this is what we agreed to and he tried to tell me, “Well I thought we were going to get cash, or I thought you were going to give me a cashiers check.”  I said, “No, have you got the letter in front of you… read it.”  Then he says, “okay, well that was my mistake.”  He was just trying to see what I was going to jump to.

** He was trying to trip you up.

R: But you see they were all in on it.  Then a couple of days later when this lady called me on the phone and said, “Well we’ll have to assume these fellows, they’re not up on all of this and we’ll have to assume they we’re up on what you were doing when you gave it to them.”  I said, “Lady, we’re not going to assume anything in this business.  We’re just going to deal with the facts.”

** So she’s the bookkeeper at the bank and also their accountant.

R: Well somebody identified her as being an accountant at the bank.

** I guess in small communities they do were a couple of different hats.

R: Yeah but see that bank would handle their account.  That accountant is their accountant…. That bank is part of that business and their business is part of the bank.

** So then how did it get resolved?  They ended up having to take it out of the payors account or the banks account?

R: I don’t know what they did… I really didn’t care?  They came down 3 hours to walk in on me at 8:00 in the morning.  So they had to be up and on the road by 5:00 a.m. to get here at that time.

** Was that the only time they showed up?

R: Yeah!  And they didn’t come to get the rig here cause they didn’t bring a truck… not only that they didn’t have a scrape of paper with them.

** Isn’t that curious.

R: Chuckles…

** So they weren’t really sure what they were going to do they were just carrying out an administrative procedure… do you think it was the accountant who sent them out there?

R: Oh I don’t know.  They were the two owners of the business.

** But they were not sophisticated according to her presumption…

R: Well they were as sharp as any attorneys I’ve ever dealt with.

** Dumb like a fox…?

** Oh one of the reasons we were sort of in a hurry for the corporation is to see if starting to take equity could help get these guys out of jail…

R: Yeah but don’t hurry the corporation because of that.  Cause once this thing goes into gear, that’s what we’re… Well I don’t think the corporation is going to be all that easy to be able to pick up and do that.  Because I think the biggest thing we have to weigh now is, if we start doing any thing we’re going to have to get ready to take an influx of business that is going to be horrendous.  I don’t think you have any idea of how much pressure we’re going to get if we operate it the way we are contemplating.

** Oh we have thought that one through.  We are somewhat in the know but …

R: I was staring at some of this back in the 80’s.  We launched something similar and that’s when I found myself under investigation in about 26 states after about two months…  I had so much stuff coming in so fast that we were ready and thought we had competent people to develop software that we could handle, I think there are 33,000 or 34,000 counties in this country….

** Oh really, I don’t know…

R: We’d have to be prepared to start dealing with all the property and then use the methods that we have in the corporate structure to address it.  That’s the way the software would have to be set.  And of course we’re going to have to be prepared to take care of ourselves to start with.

** We’re got some pretty sharp people out there that are involved in the study of this.

R: That’s what I was hoping for.

** We have this one guy and they are trying to take his house.  He does construction and he subdivided into 3 lots, he kept one and sold off two others.  Well now the city or state or someone is on his case about not having the proper permits and they are doing little things like even taking the family dog because he wasn’t licensed or the license expired.  This is what they are going to start doing to just get us on the small things that drain us that we don’t think are big deals.  This is another thing they did also on R* is go digging for old traffic issues and they found something…

R: See but that is not going to make any difference.  For you it doesn’t make any difference how many charges or what kind they are.  Because whenever they come with these they are coming with a brand new claim to offset the last one you beat them with.

** Oh to offset it… okay!

R: Yeah.  That’s all they’re doing.  They keep coming with new claims and you see usually… well what they do a lot of times these claims come where they don’t state anything about money.

** Right.  They basically wanted all the paperwork.

R: Okay, well what you do is…

** Oh they weren’t asking him… it was something on the docket.

R: It doesn’t make any difference.  You see when they make a claim and they are pressing you for it in some manner or threatening you or implying the threats.  Just start getting them filed.  File the information on them…

** The providing information with the Secretary of State and registering them and I think R*j has a letter also that he is sending to the IRS.  They responded back saying no CRC or some initials and we don’t know what that means.

R: Well here’s the thing.  You take that person’s name and add that to the information filing.  The only thing that you file on that is the person’s name and the business name.  You just fill out the form.  The Minnesota form has a place for a business name and 2 individuals… Well you don’t have to put all the names on their if you don’t have them, but I always like to put the business name on there and then where the business name calls for the Federal ID# I put my Employer ID#.

** Oh!  Okay.

R: Because that’s my business.  I’m holding the preferred stock!

** Right.  I filled out a credit application the other day and they wanted to know my income and I filled out other and wrote in preferred stock holder.

R: Hmhumm

** Another thing I was wondering… I know you have a different concept of the UCC1 but I have a friend who sells water systems.  Whenever they put in a water system and they provide the financing, they file a UCC1 against that person.  Now as of July 1st of this year a signature is not required from the debtor.

R: Well I’m sure that’s because we’ve gotten wise to them so we use our own strawman as the debtor.

** See they are not filing ours in California… well a few have slipped through but usually they send them back unfilled.

R: Yes they are!  See when they come back and say they’re not filing them, well yes they are not filing them on the public side they are filing them on the private side.   Those are private filings.
And everybody thinks they have to accept this and that.  When I let mine fly I don’t care what happens on the other end.

** Okay so what we’ve been doing when they dishonor, we just take the meter number on the outside of the envelope when they send us back the dishonor and that’s what we’ve been using on our drafts.

R: Yeah, yeah.  Then take a look on the back side of them sometimes they have numbers on the back that are there so obscure you don’t notice them.

** Oh I’ll have to check mine.  I’ve sent one in about 6 or 7 times now all different ways and different days and they still won’t file it.

R: Here’s the thing.  See they know that people are waiting as a mind set and they do everything to destroy what’s on your mind.  That’s why they don’t bother with me because I just send it off and I don’t care what they do with it.  It’s filed and I act on it and just keep moving.

** So once you’ve done it, it’s done!

R: Right when I file and information, I don’t want anything back.  Because I’ve given them the information.  It’s the public that conducts the search.

** I see!  Okay.

R: See I don’t care about a search, I’m filing and providing information and when I do that now the Secretary of State has the information as to who the debtor is as a matter of evidence.  So then after that is when I use that Certified Draft.  I put all of the papers in there to show all the correspondence.  The offer, the acceptance, the return of the acceptance and the dishonor and then I put that in the envelope and I put the business name on the top of there and say “Pay to the Order of:  Minnesota Secretary of State and down in the corner I put the Sec. Of States real name.

** Okay, right.

R: Now inside of that envelope is the information.  But you see the reason the Sec of State will have to act on it is because you’ve given the Sec of State a check or some payment that puts value on it so when these other jerks think they are controlling of “no value” so that its not in evidence…

** Right

R: Well too bad boys, because there is the charge.  You see these guys have just gotten polished in money arguments or to stay away from it so there is no evidence of a money dispute entering into the account.  They just keep paring it off from one side of the account to the other.  Wherever they don’t happen to be.
   Lost a little in turning the tape over

** and waiver is the same as…

R: See that envelope draft, there is no payees on it.  See all these patriots here and I’m sure your group is as guilty as anybody.  They all think there are makers, payors and payees…

** Oh you’re right every once in a while there are people who slip up and say “Oh if he’s been in jail that long there are things he can do to get all this money for damages etc… if they don’t have any charges.”  I comment, “What, where is it going to come from?”

R: So you see here is another thing.  Article 8 and 9 generally deal with the securities.  But you see we’re not dealing with Art. 8 and 9, we’re dealing with Art. 7.  Because even the cash money I use is warehouse receipt.  Federal reserve notes are warehouse receipts.

** Oh okay.  I was thinking they were debt instruments, but I guess that is a warehouse receipt.

R: Securities, see that’s these people who are operating with license.  They have to go into securities because they don’t have any Malpractice insurance.  So they’ve got to get somebody who will bond their fidelity.

** Okay

R: We don’t have to because we’re operating through our conscience.

** Right, okay

R: See Securities and Exchange, they refer to our position as an Art. 7 license.

** So Art 7 with the UCC code?

R: I had a banker tell me that while I was in prison.  He said that the malpractice insurance has gotten so high now that they can’t operate.  The bank couldn’t take a position like that.  See that’s why they tell you they don’t do any collections.

** Oh because when I was a real estate broker, I had to have errors and omissions insurance, which is the same as malpractice.

R: Yeah well see now there isn’t any accountability in the public so now the malpractice insurance is 100%.  The premium is as much as the whole case.

** Wow.  It would pay the whole percent.

R: Yeah because that pay 90%

** I also had to have it as a notary.

R: Well you see insurance is equity.

** We were thinking the other day.  R* was saying that when he was in church and the minister was asking, What is Grace?

R: What is Grace?

** Right, what would it be to live in GRACE?  And we were talking that’s the insurance because that is the remedy or the repair.

R: Yep debt free.  You can be free from debt.

** This is like learning a new language with all these words and new meaning.  Oh I was going to ask you also about your take on the man with the pitcher, the water bearer.  Something like follow the man with the pitcher.  I was talking with this gal and she said her minister also brought up the man carrying the water pitcher.

R: The water bearer??

** It has it in Mark or Matthew and it talks about follow the man with the water pitcher because usually a man didn’t carry the water, woman did.

R: Okay but you see it’s probably the bear market.  Sold short

** Okay he was to follow him to an upstairs room.  When you read it they were to go to a place in an upstairs room for the Passover meal.

R: Well for one thing, water is the admiralty and of course Jesus converted water to wine but you see that was charging the water.

** Didn’t he charge the water to make it to blood, they referred to the wine as the blood?

R: Yeah but see the blood that we’re talking about is the credit here in commerce… the charges.  The charges here which are the electrons.  In other words we are talking about the sign(sine) and the co-sign(sine).  See that’s got an E on the end of it.  The bible also talks about the sin and the co-sin.

** Co-Sin??

R: Well Eve bringing Adam into the sin.  The E is gone.  The E is the energy.  (This is talking about the spelling being phonetic when you un-bastardize it).  In other words what they are doing is creating the form without any fact.  So that is the sin.  See that’s a symbol of physics.

** Right… okay.  And sin is the debt?

R: See sin is the sign without the energy.  Without the electron.  Without the electron it’s absent the female.

** Right, because a lot of time in the bible it says sin is missing the mark.  In other words it doesn’t have any energy in it.  It would be void.

R: Yeah!  There is a barrier between the sin and the electron and the female.  See that’s what we see here with the Afghans… the woman are totally covered?… they are totally separated from this concept.

** From the concept of the war or the concept of the biblical?

R: the biblical concept of the sin and the co-sin.

** Oh… got distracted…

R: The sin and the sine which is S I N E.

** There bible must be completely different.

R: Oh I don’t know.  They use the Koran.  Haven’t you ever read it?

** No…no…

R: Well you just got to read it backwards..  Start at the back and read like that.

** Oh I’m trying to be a speed reader and I have this course and that’s the way you have to practice reading for this photo reading.  You start at the back with the book upside down and just go through pages and keep thumbing through then write down whatever you can remember.  Numbers, names, dates, cities, etc.  It says that the more you practice this the better your recall becomes.  If you read it regular you fall into old habits.

R: Well I’ve read the Koran a couple of times.  One of the ones I’ve read is when they spell it with a Q and one when they spelled it with a K.  They are both the same.  They are laid out in verse.  See inverse means inverted.

** Okay.

R: There were more Muslims in prison than any other single group.

** No kidding.  I guess a lot of blacks are Muslims and they are targeted usually for nothing.

R: Mmmhum.  There is nothing new that we have to break down.  Don’t let these guys push you on getting this corporation too hard.  Because if they are pushing for the reason I think they are it’s just going to press us to the point we’re not going to be able to come up with the answer they need ….

** Oh I’m not sure anyone is pushing.  It is probably some of me pushing thinking that might be our answer.  There is really no pressure.

R: I don’t even know if I can get to California this winter.  I’ve got to weigh everything to make sure I don’t leave something that is so fragile that it’ll die if I’m gone.  We’ve got people that are fighting the jails here too.

** Yeah, I’ve been trying to send these people in the jails info that I get from you and do transcripts…

R:  Well I think the most powerful thing we’ve got here now is the check.  You see that’s why I said that these guys in jail need to focus on getting those “informations” filed, get the checks written to the Secretary of State…

** Something needs to be clarified when you talk to ** or anyone from that camp regarding all the charges against them, or should I say counts.  They have been lumped together and only a couple of them in jail now have the private account.  Can one person pay that to get them all out?

R: Well…  they can but they are starting to get into real uncertain waters because that’s the collective idea of the public.

** If the jail has already lumped them all together and says this is what you have to pay and someone writes a check to redeem it?

R: I haven’t heard much about it lately.

** I talk to a couple that is working with the groups.  We offered some info that R* did for the guys up in Oregon and of course that didn’t help so there must be something we are not aware of …

R: Some of these things I can already figure what they’re doing.  See some of the things that happen, are done out of sequence.  Because sometimes you’re doing things before the actual evidence on the prior correspondence is in as a matter of fact.

** Oh, the prior event.

R: So you see… and some of these people get exuberant and sometimes they over state or under state things that omit the actual event that would show the evidence to show whether they can go on to the next item.  Well to give you an example, whenever there is a dishonor for instance, once they dishonor then you see you are entitled to the waiver.  But you have to make a request for the remedy.  So what happens, some of these people say, “Well I request my remedy” and they never told them what it is.  Lot of little things like that.

** Your right… I didn’t realize that but it makes sense.

R: See and a lot of times when people start talking to their opponents they actually think they’ve done it and brought it into evidence and orally you can’t do it.

** Right and one of the things we were thinking is if, just like they got **’s sister and questioned her and apparently she ended up telling more than she should of.  One of the things we were thinking is if this happens to any one of us what we would do is we would take a paper and pencil and write it and than ask somebody to read it.

R: Well you aren’t even going to have to do that.  The people on the other end they just put their request in writing.  And if you have to you can mention that.  We aren’t going to have to bring it in and confront them on the stand or anything.  If these people are going to bring their witnesses you can confront them right at that particular point.

** Confront them orally?

R: Well sure, if they are on the stand.

** Oh, okay.

R: Cause people here have been tying into them when they aren’t officially testifying.

** Lets say for example that they subpoenaed R*j against his dad, should he talk.

R: Well he can just give them the blank stare but if someone asks him a question he asks them “What’s your name?” etc. the 3 questions.

** Oh okay.  I thought then that’s when they take him in to then for not cooperating or contempt of court.

R: Yeah.  Then you’re going to have to use the methods we’ve talked about a hundred times before on how you handle contempt.

** I think they’ve been easing off of contempt from what I’m understanding.  They now just let it go.  But like what you said they’ve got a lot of people they’ve got in jail to get information from you to set up a profile.  The jailors or even inmates that try to get info from you.

R: Oh yeah, but you see they pass the bond around and when they get an agreement from an informant, that informant is the one that is holding you in jail because he’s the holder of the account, he’s been charged with it.  He’s been contracted as an informant.

** Oh interesting.

R: What they’ve done is they’ve gotten in tinier and tinier details.  They keep the sequence of events to break that chain.  Once they break it they get kind of bold when they know you weren’t observing when they broke the chain of evidence.

** Also we’ve got to really start paying more attention to all the evidence that we’re developing.

R: Right.  See we’ve got a guy here and whenever he gets something he accepts it and returns it.  And they keep doing other stuff, coming up with other stuff to keep their claim alive.  We’ve been destroying it.  But you see, he got to the point to where now he understands.  He got a little careless and would enter into small talk and one thing and another with some of the guys when he didn’t think it was in formal proceedings.

** Uhm humm okay

R: Well he found out he shouldn’t of been doing that.  Well now whenever they come with something he just gives them a blank stare.  What we did as soon as he gets something he accepts it and just returns it and then he requests his release and also he requests the waiver.  We just keep going back.  They have got 72 hours and it’s been working consistently to where they are back within that time to come with another claim.

** Now isn’t the release and the waiver one and the same?

R: Not really!

** Oh… I’ve been thinking they were the same.

R: No a release is not. A release is not exchange.

** And the waiver is…

R: Yeah.

** That clears up that.  I was thinking they were interchangeable.

R: No in fact.  I’ve even thought about this redemption thing to change the word release to the word exchange.

** I think we are using the word foreign exchange or priority exchange.

R: Well that’s a limiting factor.  I would just put exchange.  Cause it’s an exchange of prisoners is what it is to take us to the equity.  I haven’t said that because all these people would have to undo everything… man oh man!  It would create so much controversy with them and cause more problems than what it would solve right now.

** Right.  You know I try to tell people to not get so predictable.  Try to have some flexibility.  Change things a little, speak from your heart, don’t try to have everything so firm in your mind.

R: What we’re doing with this guy… he had to finally … well the sheriff came in and took him to a private room and they asked him, “When are you going to give us this and that and if you don’t you’re going to stay here if you don’t and we’re going to impose a big fine or you’re going to have to turn this over and bla bla bla…”  This guy just sat in there for a half hour and just stared at him.  He never uttered a sound.  Finally the sheriff just took him back to his cell.  Any way the reason they had done that is because they had some trial proceedings and what we had done as soon as we had some evidence in on the dishonor, then we made the formal request that they release him, provide him with his remedy and then we gave them notice that because we have an agreement now that’s cause to cancel the proceedings as there is no further controversy.

** You actually tell them there is cause to cancel the proceedings?

R: Oh yeah!  We’re telling them here that the proposed trial or proposed status conference or pre-trial are cancelled because of settlement.  They are getting desperate on different ways to come around and make a new claim so they can keep it going.  We’re just on them all the time with acceptance.

** Good.  I did with this one guy regarding some court papers.  If he accepts all the court papers and returns them you tell them to cancel the court hearing because there is no longer a need since there is no controversy.  I haven’t talked to him again so I’m not sure how it ended.

R: It’s what you gotta do is you have to make the request and that goes right to the court appointed attorney and his assign, assignor, assignees, and internal trustees.

** We’ve been putting holders…

R: and holders… right.  So you see, what you do is you make sure you’re bringing the evidence with it to show that the acceptance and … or the offer and acceptance has been returned to them for value and in the event they dishonor you then you see based on their dishonor you request the waiver because now they have agreed with you in the alternative.  This agreement is settlement.  Because we now have settlement that’s where we write to them and tell them to cancel the proceedings.

** Okay

R: Cancel the proceedings and I will take delivery of my property at the discharge desk and bla bla bla.

** He’s requested that several times.

R: Yeah but what happens after that?

** Well they are just holding him for psychiatric evaluation.

R: Well the thing is there is something missing.  You’re not getting to the court appointed attorney…you’re not getting that request laid on him when you’re requesting the waiver because they have dishonored him.  See at that point, that’s a tax and that’s a charge.  That’s a criminal charge here that can be brought by the Secretary of State on those characters…and on the corporation.

** Okay now it has gone into the Secretary of State.  That has also gone to provide information too.

R: Have you had your information filing in there with your check?… ahead of that?

** I’m not sure that has been done like that.

R: Well you have to send your check in there with it to pay the fee on it.

** I think R*j has done that but I’m not positive.  I know he’s done a lot of the providing information, but I’m not sure if he sent a check with it.  I think we didn’t think there was a fee for that.

R: You’re going to send that in and you don’t care what happens to it.   You’re going to take your copies and send it to the people you want to have that anyway.  The Secretary of State has to deal with the fee.  That takes it out of the hands of them other characters that have been prosecuting you.  And now we’re going to prosecute the money issue with the Secretary of State with that fee.
See what I do when I prepare this for the Secretary of State, I send it off to where I want it to go simultaneously.  I don’t wait for anything to come back.

** You’re talking your check is the Certified Draft?

R: No.  It’s the check on my private account (closed).  I’ve even had the Secretary of State give me refunds on those.  On ones that I’ve over paid.

** Okay, I’m sure R*j has done that then.  I think you’ve explained that to us before and I’m sure he did that.

R: Well then you see we’ve got to figure out there is something …

** Something a miss…?

R: We’re getting these proceedings cancelled.  The only thing holding these people is subsequent claims.  Now if this guy is moving in for the evaluation… You just need to get the letter, well I’m sure that what they’re doing… you’re not getting the letter to the person who is responsible for holding.  Once we hit that guy, boy he’s had to move.  So for some reason, you’re not reading who is responsible.

** Okay cause the last time it was served, this gal served it on the new public defender…

R: Well I think you’re better off using the mail…  That personal service… we haven’t been doing any of that.  That personal service…

** Sometimes if you mail it they will mail it back telling you it doesn’t comply with the court or some other lame excuse…

R: Don’t put a return address on it or put the same address as the mailing address…

** Well we could do that.  He’s accepted all his jail papers.

This ends this tape…. And tape 2 got messed up.   Sorry!  More to come before end of year.
 

P.S.   I hope you are all reading the news on the Michigan group with the private understanding instead of the public mentality.  There is some good in there like having the judges concerned they may be in IRS computer.
We know that after the charge comes the equity….