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.......Conversation w/ Roger and R* or ** which is easier to follow.
Conversation slightly in progress when tape started.
R: We’re on a 24 hour schedule.
** Well I thought you were working 12 on and 12 off… with two crews.
R: We’re short handed so sometimes we go 18 hours even that isn’t enough…
** I know your time is precious Buddy… so I won’t keep you.
R: Well we can talk a little bit.
** Okay… gosh not even 5 minutes ago the lady with the house situation just left and then of course K* working on getting his Mercedes. Chuckles…. That’s not exactly how he wanted to work it out but he’s not given up…
R: Yeah! Yeah! Well we just need to get a handle on the money system that’s the main thing regardless of what we acquire with it. We can live without a lot of this bs too you know but then of course why not put a Mercedes instead of a Chevy or a Ford?
** Well I know K* did go to a Chevrolet Dealer… did he tell you he went to a Chevrolet dealer first? They didn’t have a clue to what he was up to….
R: Here’s the thing. Don’t try to explain any of this to these guys. I think we just go in and we get a bill and we give them a check or whatever we have to get the delivery or get the product… get the stuff loose. And the thing is if you can get them to finance it without having to put in cash in it you see, keep that pure, lot of times they’ll do that and you can take it out and you’re not dealing with the dealer, you’re dealing with the finance company.
** Oh I see. In other words when he went in and did the whole deal and paid them up front that was probably not correct.
R: You can’t pay them on the front end! See because they’ve got to deliver everything before you are obligated to pay anything. If they can’t pass title to you then you’ve got nothing to pay for. See they have to pass title to you so you have free and unfettered access. Whatever it is then you can give them the check if you need to…
** Well I think he had written everything on the contract…properly…
R: Okay.
** And the check… probably he could have held that off…
R: He should have! See that’s what’s hurt him.
** Well I know he’s not going to let go. Not until…
R: What he needs to do is go over to that place and demand his check back. See what they’ve done… that’s a tort claim now. That’s extortion!
** Well he doesn’t know if they’ve presented it for…
R: It doesn’t make any difference. They have. The thing is they haven’t given him the item. That’s it! What he can do right now is he can give them notice of his intent to file a chapter 11 reorganization in bankruptcy. What that means is reorganization in bankruptcy… he’s moving as the debtor in possession. You’re not declaring the debtor bankrupt when you do that. The debtor was just re-organizing. See it’s all those who are his creditors you see who are delinquent in providing you the goods and services because they work for you. (right) So see when you give them a Notice of Intent that you are going to file a reorganization and that you want settlement from them before you do the filing because if they fail to settle to settle with you, then you can now discover their personal assets here in the administrative proceedings in bankruptcy.
** Okay! Well I think he’s probably going to play a few more cards before he goes that far with it.
R: I don’t begrudge anybody of that. I don’t want to make up their minds for them.
** No. Well I know that K* pretty much thought he had done this straight up…and I think that if he’d left the check out until the deal was needing a check or financing.
R: Well see… Here’s the thing. The only time the check might be issued is after he’s got the keys in his hands and he’s in possession. You have no obligation to pay for anything until they’ve given you possession. Because that means that they have to sign off that there are no other liens on the property. Once that happens you don’t even have an obligation to give them a check.
** Weelll… As long as you have a Certificate of Origin and he does have that on the contract and he has an original contract I guess and I was …
R: See the Certificate of Origin also means that he’s the owner of the car. Right Now! Okay, well to prove that that is a certificate of origin he can take it to the DMV and go in and register it. If they don’t register it then that is not a Certificate of Origin.
** Right. Now that’s what his move is. That’s one of the cards he’s going to play. He’s going to go down and see if he can’t get the plates and the registration and the whole 9 yards… Then he’s going to shove that in their nose.
R: Yeah! Then you just take it up to the dealer and tell them to put the plates on the car and tell them to give you the keys. Make sure that he’s got an insurance number, because he’s not going to be able to drive it off the lot without insurance, he’ll have to haul it.
** Okay. That’ll be…
R: Take a truck in there to haul it out.
** I don’t know what his insurance situation is but I’ll sure pass this on to him without a doubt.
R: There’s other ways of doing it but I’m not going to get into any of that now. He doesn’t need that now. See because if you get it to that point and he has to over come it, then just hire somebody to haul it away and deliver it somewhere to you. And be careful when you get a hauler that it isn’t somebody that is going to haul it off and you ain’t going to see it. Be careful you get somebody you know!
** Okay! All right… that’s probably accomplishable.
R: Okay good!
** Hey you probably haven’t heard about E* in court last week… But when she went in she just told the judge there was no controversy here, these people won’t settle, and she asked the attorney for her name and the gal was afraid to speak it. She wrote it down on a piece of paper and (chuckles) E* looked at for a few seconds and then finally she handed it back to her and said, “How do you pronounce this?” So the gal said her name, then E* said, “Well do you have a claim against me?” and the gal said, “No.” Anyway I guess they are going back for another hearing… and of course the court is all upset with her because she paid for her filing $195 bucks or something with a closed account and they’re not accepting that.
R: Okay who is not accepting it?
** Evidently the clerk….
R: Then this is her notice of her intent to file chapter 11 reorganization in bankruptcy.
** And who is ever dishonoring that check is that culprit making the claim…?
R: Yes. What she’s going to do… She lets them know that she wants settlement before the filing, because if they have failed to settle, at her request then they are eligible for discovery of their personal assets in the Administrative Proceedings in Bankruptcy.
** I do have a question on that…. Not having gotten into the paperwork yet. I understand that it’s around $840 to do one of them…
R: $830. But don’t get into that just now. We’ll get to that …
** Is that where we use the closed account check?…
R: Don’t get into that now … see you broke my train of thought for the other. That’s insignificant. There’s a lot of ways to handle that. I can’t remember where we were… I had a mental picture of what I was going to try to deliver to you so you could understand what you’re up against.
** Well I know that we were talking about these people have exposed themselves now to the involuntary bankruptcy or to the bankruptcy reorganization chapter 11.
R: Yeah but you have to give them notice and request settlement. If they refuse the settlement, now you see you have that in dishonor. Now you see a bankruptcy court is a contract. A court of contract and its based on Federal Rules, which are indirect evidence. So you see, now once you say well I’m going to file bankruptcy and I request that you make settlement with this matter and I request you provide me with my remedy and in the event you fail to do this before I do the filing you will then be eligible for discovery of your personal assets.
** I believe that she has put that in her paperwork to these people already that she’s of that persuasion to do the bankruptcy.
R: Well you see what happens when you go into the court then and you move for the remedy… and the judge or prosecutor or whoever apprises you the judge in the case who then is responsible for the entire bond then, he then when you make a motion to dismiss or you make a motion for your remedy, and the judge denies it or affirms it… either way, he has an obligation to issue finding of fact and conclusion of law. Anytime he signs an order, he’s obligated to put the finding of facts and conclusion of law into the record. (okay) Now usually you aren’t going to find that. He doesn’t do it or else they hide it somewhere. The reason is, is they take finding of fact and conclusion of law he’ll condemn the attorney who is either practicing law without a license or he’s charging a claim without and assessment--- Which is a felony. That’s why you’re not going to find the finding of fact and the conclusion of law. So what you want to start doing is start beating the bush with request to the clerk and start to go after them for the finding of fact and conclusion of law in the record regarding the particular motion that was either denied or affirmed in a court action. Once the judge does that and he fails to put in the finding of fact and conclusion of law, now you see he’s subject to discover of his personal assets in bankruptcy. … Now you’ve got him in dishonor.
** Okay… Well I’ll pass this on. I’ll pass this information on to her because I’m sure she’s looking for the next step and she’s already let them know what it is going to be so she’s just got to do it now.
R: Yeah!
** Well would she do that in open court when she goes in and tells them that verbally since they won’t take her paperwork?
R: She can make an oral request for her remedy and she can also give them notice that this is notice. Here’s the thing… She doesn’t want to tell them that she is going to file bankruptcy…. What’s her name?
** Ethel Doe
R: Okay what she does is she tells them Ethel Doe is giving notice of intent to file chapter 11 reorganization in bankruptcy. Because she is not filing the debtor. The debtor isn’t bankrupt… the debtor is just reorganizing. Not only that – Ethel is not the person there in court, it’s her straw man.
** Right! We all understand that.
R: Okay then she’s just going to tell them that Ethel Doe is going to do the filing. And of course what she is NOT going to tell them when she does the filing. See you’re not going to succeed unless the papers are signed by an attorney.
** Okay! From her straw man side. Are you talking about the opposing attorney?
R: I’ll get to it. See the paperwork that you got shows that you can file as a person and they are going to consider you pro se and you can file, but what’s going to happen is its all going to work in reverse on you. So what you do--- You can sign for the straw man but what you’re also the representative of the straw man which means that if you look up the definitions in the dictionary you’ll find out that is an attorney in fact. And you see it also asks you for information in the name of the firm…. Well the name of her firm is ETHEL DOE. In all caps. That’s the name of her firm. She’s a sole proprietor and an individual and they can do these things. So what you need to do is get the bankruptcy packet and just let everybody know that you are going to file and let everybody know what settlement you want from them. Because what you’re going to do is list the delinquent creditors and if they have failed to settle with you then you’re going to foreclose the assets. You can convert probably each one of those here into a chapter 7 for liquidation and you can have the Marshals put it up for sale and reserve all the rights to reject any and all bids. So once you get the bids you are placing them in the reserve. They belong to you. Whoever makes a bid.
** Wow! Okay…
R: Oh yeah! Well I’ve seen it work years and years and years ago. I just remember some of these things….
** Well it’s nice to have a memory when you have a foundation to build on.
R: umhum… I didn’t at the time. Now looking back and I saw all these things, now I know what they meant.
** Right! Like I said it’s good to have a rock to stand on to make the determinations that are going on today.
R: Okay… Have you got a tape on to keep this. Good. Whenever they judge… that’s why you want to go after all these old records, like when people who have been incarcerated for years now can go and start digging up the case and the order that put them in prison and ask for the finding of facts and conclusion of law you see. If the judge happens to be dead, the ones who have inherited which could be the attorney generals in some cases, then go after then the same way. They’re going to have to surrender their personal assets if they refuse you your remedy. That’s the basis on it here. This is the Supreme Court of the land here because a judge in any kind of court is subject to review in bankruptcy.
** Wow that bloody good to know, there’s no question about it.
R: Well this is how you get them into dishonor. You request a remedy and you request it because you’re telling them you’re going to file a reorganization in bankruptcy, but you see, if you’re going to do it under your own hand and then you’re going to go in there and claim, “I’m filing bankruptcy.” That’s not the case. If I go in I’m going to tell them R* E* is file for bankruptcy…. And me I’m the representative and the attorney for R* E*. And the firm name is R* N* E*. Look up all those words in the law dictionary. Firm, Attorney in Fact, Authorized Representative… just get all your past records so you know in your own mind where you’re at when you do this.
** She’ll be glad to know this and so will K* and I’ll share this with both of them.
R: Yeah! Good!
** Looks like you’re going to be successful with your farm up there in South Dakota, I guess So Dakota…
R: North Dakota… well I’m going to use this to go after everything. But you see after No Dakota for instance, it’s going to be fairly easy with that little encounter I had with the states attorney, see everything that in question is under his name now.
** Yeah I remember that conversation coming down. Yes!
R: With that there I can pursue him that way. And if I go after Wal-Mart and K-Mart you see… well I don’t know if I’ll go after both of them… Although I know I’ll go after Wal-Mart and that could get to be an international scene. That’s why I would need to get some direct involvement of the US Marshals here because they can operate outside of the country.
** Oh Boy!
R: And that gets to be some sophisticated process papers that I would have to get from the Marshals office. I’ve already been up there and talked to them about it.
** Well what was your dealing with Wal-Mart that you need to apprehend them?
R: Well this was a year or so ago and they dishonored a credit card on me when I went in there one time. They didn’t have any business… in fact they were the only ones that had done it, because I had used the card only 30 minutes earlier then that elsewhere. So you see it wasn’t being stopped by anything away.
** Which brings to mind… you had mentioned a long time ago that the closed account check was going to virtually put these credit card companies out of business.. And now, yesterday I got what’s called a mastercard debit card on my bank account and it’s virtually useable like a credit card.
R: Yeah I know.
** Same scenario… and the only situation I have there, you know, I’ve been out of it for so long I haven’t been able to get anything in my name until recently. See I got some of these bank account for a couple of years now so now some of the public benefits are starting to roll my way and I guess that’s one of them. Boy I’ll tell you doing orders by check is slower then a slow boat to China.
R: What do you mean? What orders?
** Well when I order things and I have to send a check…
R: That’s all right! Just call them up and give them your check number over the phone.
** Well I’ve not found very many outfits that will take it that way. I only found one that was willing to take it that way.
R: Okay! Well here’s the thing… if they’re refusing you then you can list them in bankruptcy. See you can send the marshals in there to discover all the personal assets. If that’s the way they want to be about it.
** It’s not been a hard line issue with me so I wasn’t really moving that much on it…. It’s just a couple items I wanted for my personal use so it wasn’t a big issue. It’s worth knowing for in the future when I get into moving I intend to order more crap then anybody has ever thought of ordering.
R: Well you don’t want to order anything that you aren’t going to use. It would be counter-productive because you’re running with a lot of virtue on your conscience and you don’t need to water that down.
** Well that’s one of the reasons… This book that I was discussing with you on the Plot Against Christianity, the thing I like about the book although half of it is dialogue but she’s quoting from the Talmud, the Jewish encyclopedia, all different kind of instruments. She put exhibits in there, you know… this is out of the Talmud… this is out of the Jewish encyclopedia… this is out of the publication or whatever. So in that since all of that research because that is the mirror government… I’m trying to justify or explain, you can’t recognize a counterfeit bill until you’ve seen a real one. Until people have an opportunity to see what we’re living under, they can’t understand why these guys aren’t obeying their own rules.
R: It’s all counterfeit…. Everything in circulation.
** They go so far in the Talmud to tell us we’re not human. Well the things that they do that they say are human… I don’t even want to be a human if that’s the way its…
R: Yeah but their human is the straw man. See they are giving life to the straw man. That’s what the whole problem is about. What they do is they all agree that we have created a person and we’ve put life into him. So you see this is the spiritual equivalent. Then of course these other rules apply, than they go into the protocols. But you got to remember one thing about protocols… Do you know when you get into science and biology here what protoplasm is?
** I had that years ago and don’t recall…
R: Well protoplasm is basically where the life energy is in the cells when you start or have new life fertilized and it starts to grow then it divides. The cells then start to multiply and of course that here is what the bible talks about when it tells you to be fruitful and multiply. That’s the conception but you see the protocols… well you know what military protocol is – that’s the rules you have to apply when you approach a subject or subject matter.
** The military is what runs this whole bloody damn thing. They couldn’t keep it alive without the military backing the play.
R: Oh yeah! Right! But you see the military… what do they do? They occupy until he comes. Until who comes? --- until the owner comes… or the lord of the manor or the landlord. You see that’s what a lieutenant is…. He’s occupying in lieu of a tenant. (laughter)
** Yes
R: See the reason I bring this up now. I had somebody sent me “The Code of Canon Law”.
** Oh! Very good! Was that B* by any chance?
R: No that was some friend of mine out here.
** Yeah okay.
R: (muttering and not audiable… ) I’m just skimming a few of the highlights here. There are over 200 pages here.
** Wow! That’s quite a nice find. You know that I found in my 1910 Encyclopedia Britannica that the Talmud has been canonized by the Pontiff, the Pope. (laughter) They’re all playing on the same team.
R: Oh sure! Well you see you apply that to science and that’s where the atom. Instead of Adam. See whenever you see the atom split in half the only thing inside is invisible because that’s where the electric man is. It’s all magnetic energy – attractive force. It draws to itself. In other words when you split the atom we’ve had the atomic fission. In other words the expansion. The energy expansion, but see now it’s working in reverse. It’s implosion. See all the energy is going back to the nucleus now. Attractive force. That’s what you’re seeing in the stock market… the bear market.
** Well I do have a feeling that the closed account checks and drafts and so forth is having a major impact heading in that direction.
R: Oh I’m sure it does.
** I’m don’t know if it would of ever happened if you had not appeared on the scene. To wake us up to several thousand things… Some of which I had a better understanding of.
R: I don’t know when I’m going to get a chance to read the Plot or even the Canons…
** Well I didn’t send it to you because you didn’t understand these things. I already know you’re familiar with some of the reading of the Talmud. I know you’re familiar with the protocols, but I’m also of the opinion from the standpoint of the oral law. I try to explain to people, the only way you can get the oral law is when somebody tells you this is the oral law and I’m explaining it to you. And if it doesn’t come to you orally how the hell else are you suppose to get it? These are the secrets that we’re trying to uncover with what we’re doing.
R: Well you see one of the things is get rid of the word ‘law’. When you hit the New Testament the law passes away.
** That’s probably why they put Christ in five deaths…
R: We’re into a new contract then. If they’re talking about 5 deaths, we’re talking about the 5 senses. That’s exactly what the pentagon is. The pentagon is five.
** A thousand years ago somebody sure rattled their cage because he obviously exposed the whole scheme…
R: Expose it or not--- the thing is this had to happen otherwise those guys left to their own designs here all of humanity would be dead now. Because you see the public has left no provision for redemption. They can’t redeem the debt so they just keep spending and spending and the debt keeps getting bigger and bigger until they all die… Until it becomes pay day. See that’s what the military does. The military goes out and explodes all this pent up force and it destroys everything and brings it back to mother earth…. Unless! Unless what? Unless somebody comes in with a redeemer. And you see Abraham was righteous because why? Because he had witnesses! So you see that’s the key to contract or for agreements. We have a witness who will testify to the facts of my case. The only thing is they do it in the negative. So you see we have a very difficult time accepting that. But you see when they do it in the negative we got their testimony so we say, “Okay I accept!” (chuckles) Now I’ve got the acceptance here that is the value and that is the line that holds the enforcement of the agreement.
** Well I’ve understood. I don’t know what the problem is for some of the people that have filed the bankruptcy that they’ve been rejected.
R: Okay but see … filed what bankruptcy? Are they filing 11 or are they filing the involuntary?
** I think they’re trying to file the involuntary.
R: Yeah well see that’s the problem. We’re going to have to get them on a voluntary basis and that’s what chapter 11 is. Not only that you see, with the straw man there that is considered a public entity so you see it’s a corporate filing is what chapter 11 is.
** Okay so then the involuntary comes out of the chapter 11?
R: Right! As a matter of fact we don’t even have to declare it. All we do is say, “I want you to remedy me and hand over my property and if you fail to do so… But when you give them that notice you tell them, ‘this is also your notice of my intent to file a chapter 11 reorganization in bankruptcy. If you fail to settle then in the bankruptcy proceeds we have the administrative methods to discover your personal assets.’ Now you see right there is the mechanism. It’s a description of the mechanism that binds them to the very fact they are not volunteering, they’re refusing, so there’s the evidence right there as a matter of fact.
** Because I have another question along the line of Ethel. You know that she got an absolute clear title, balance owing zero, complete reconveyance, the property is hers and she has that document saying that property is hers free and clear. I’m wondering if that’s a document she should hang on to or should she send that back to where ever it came from?
R: Well she may have to. I don’t know you just don’t want to do it indiscriminately.
** That’s a pretty powerful document in her hands…
R: Well here’s the thing, there’s provisions in the chapter 11 bankruptcy to where you can re-establish your holder in due course.
** Well I told her today that she never wanted to be a holder in due course.
R: No not her! I’m talking about the guy that wants the settlement. He’s made settlement with her but now he’s making a claim again huh?
** Evidently!
R: Well if they are then that’s a brand new claim.
** Seems to me like they’ve already settled. She got a hold of Freddie Mac and they …
R: Here’s the thing with these attorneys…. Here’s what you do. You say, “Okay Sir, I will accept that. You being the holder of my account, please issue my check on my account that you are the holder of and settle the matter.”
** Well I’m sure she’s tried like hell to do that.
R: No you have to do that precisely when you get engaged with them in conversation, because they are coming here with a new claim. Probably has nothing to do with any of the rest of it.
** That attorney that she deposed in court, that judge when he wound up the days activity said that the attorney of record would have to appear next time they have appear. This little attorney didn’t know what the hell she was doing…
R: …then what she can do is she can ask the judge for his finding of fact and conclusion of law. Here’s what’ll happen. If they continue to try to press that and attempt to bring a criminal charge on her, you see what they’re doing right now is they’re trying to get a civil assessment.
** Yeah they want to go in and take that property away from her.
R: Well yea but listen now…. I know they’re always after property. They’re trying to get into a position now where they get an assessment from her. Okay, then the criminal charge comes, because it’s a felony for them to charge a claim without an assessment. So that’s why she wants to make sure that if she makes a motion for her remedy… Lets just say that they just railroad her when she gets in there, okay?
** They’re going to try that I’m sure!
R: Okay so lets just say they get it accomplished. Then what she would do is she’d have to make some sort of request to remove and do away or dismiss the action that’s taken against her. When she does that she also asks that the case be dismissed or the charges be dropped AND I request that the judge provide me or that I be provided with the finding of fact and the conclusion of law from the finder of fact in this case that I might examine those facts to enable me to plead to the charge as I am not in dispute with any of the facts in this case up to now.
** That’s already in the record but I don’t know whether they’re accepting any of her paperwork to make it in the record.
R: Yeah but here’s the thing. You see they come in and I had a lady tell me that, “Oh we can’t accept that.” I said, “You don’t need to I already have.” (laughter) Now you see that expression you just used doesn’t apply to what we’re talking about. Because they don’t have the capacity to ‘accept’. And if they do then you see to demonstrate that they do have the capacity then “where’s there check?” If they’ve got their check then we can really take that. But if they don’t produce their bond of their claim they haven’t got a claim.
** Even though this is civil at this point in time?
R: I don’t know if you want to say this point in time it’s civil and this point in time it’s criminal basically it’s all commercial. Period!
** Commercial and it’s all accounting. And it’s all on her account that this is all coming down on her.
R: Oh sure!
** Because they have nothing to offer right?
R: Well they’re holders in due course you see and if they close for her benefit then you see they don’t have any equity. So that means all their property that they think they have equity in they just surrendered it. (Tape turn) … exploit that particular confession of hers. Now that we got the facts that we can use to discover their personal assets through the administrative act in bankruptcy.
** I guess in a bankrupt nation that’s the only thing we can do. I know that K* made some comments, well he wrote some comments on the board that he got from you… First of all I have nothing… and your contract is the only thing of value in this agreement …
R: And if you don’t have a check you don’t have a bond. You’re a foreigner! You see foreigners can’t practice law in the local community without a license.
** Yeah and that’s exactly what they’re doing.
R: See they’re doing that because that’s the point that they’re going to get the assessment. Because they’ve got to be careful if they charge a claim. Cause if they charge a claim without an assessment, that’s a felony.
** Well you know it appears to me that the only thing that they’re going for is quiet title so they can take title away from her….
R: Hold up… You accuse them of charging a claim without an assessment and that is a felony and I suggest you start looking for the state statutes that declare that conduct to be a felony. When we were in Texas those people found it down there.
** Now was that J* or a friend of his?
R: Well it would have been a friend of his. He wasn’t involved directly with us.
** That was the one where you were able to go to court with the guy? But they never could settle anything as I understand.
R: Yeah! But you see we didn’t know all this then. This we just picked up and deciphered it later. Digested it here.
** Yeah it’s hot and heavy boy! When you’re up to your neck in alligators it’s pretty hard to think straight.
R: Anyway that’s when the finding of fact and the conclusions of law begin to emerge. That’s how valuable it is and how we can use it to hold these judges feet to the fire. I know a guy up here that used it in open court and the federal judge came right off the bench. Jumped right off the case –right now!
** And that was just on the finding of facts and conclusions of law and that put the judge right in the hot seat?
R: Sure! Yep! Now you see he’s eligible to discovery of personal assets for us to discover his personal assets.
** But that can only be done through a chapter 11 at this point in time?
R: It could be done otherwise I think, but chapter 11 you can get enforcement. Because here is what you’re going to do. You said $830… well for one thing, that can be paid in installments. (Okay) Another way too is that what you do is you list all your creditors you see, those creditors have accounts that belong to you. So what you do is you list those as your personal property. Your creditor account…. (yeah) So in your business plan you instruct the United States trustee to take from those creditors and the funds that they need either from one or all of them the money that’s needed to pay the filing fees.
** Well obviously those people in government were created with a straw man too. So they must have an account available for their doings.
R: Well yeah! That’s ex-officio. You see there are three accounts here. One is the ex-officio capacity, the other one is the individual capacity and the official.
** I’m sure they’re aware of that.
R: Of course. We’ve been trained here how to duck and dodge. That’s why I think we need to say that we are going to file bankruptcy reorganization and we’re going to list them as a delinquent creditor. Because a delinquent creditor is holding property that they haven’t released and it belongs to the debtor. The debtor, when you file, you’re going to file as debtor in possession.
** That’s good! Yeah you’re playing it right by there rules at that point in time and I understand that that can change once the facts start coming up.
R: Well here’s the thing. What’ll happen if they start getting cute we’ll move it into a chapter 7 and that’s total liquidation… right now!
** Of their assets?
R: Yeah! Yes and that’s when you reserve the right to reject any and all bids… and move it in for sale. Put it in the hands of the marshals to sell it. When you reserve the right to reject any and all bids, what does that say. That’s putting it in the reserve. So you take any and all bids and putting them on the reserve and rejecting the bid. Now those bids are in reserve. They belong to you. We are the bank at that point!
** Well the bank hasn’t got anything without us, that’s for sure.
R: Yeah but you see the bank is any person in the business of banking. You see corporations are all identified as being a person. But I’m a person too.
** How about with the information that Canada is trying to set up a clearing house or something…?
R: Oh I wouldn’t go there. You’d be admitting there’s a third party has an interest in you.
** Okay! That’s almost like declaring a corporation doesn’t exist by notifying it that they don’t exist.
R: Yeah! (chuckling) And the notification is contract fact. But you shot yourself in the foot…
See this whole money system is responsible for a lot of it… not all of it.
** Well you wouldn’t be working 18 hours a day if this system wasn’t keeping your nose to the grind stone for that. You’re survival depends on you being a good slave.
R: This part of that is dieing. We’re on the dieing side. We’ve got to see this thing turned over to what the new money can fund the new world. That’s what we’re looking for and I think we’re close on it and it always comes in bits and pieces.
** Now the new money….
R: Or the absence of money… whatever. But you see the new wine, put it that way. (biblical reference) It’s the new wine instead of the old wine.
** Well I hope you have more answers because all these years I’ve been concerned about trying to bring in the government which I considered was Christ and not having the technical ability to …
R: Here’s the thing when you’re talking about spirit for instance, we should just take a look at the electronic man that’s inside the atom. See all your chemistry, the chemistry of your body, the chemistry of everything on the earth is made up molecules… See that’s the only thing that this public government recognizes. They won’t recognize the internal atom that the molecules are made of because when you split the atom of course you have a release of energy but you see the energy is invisible. Why? Because it’s electric. It’s the electric man --- the real man. I’m beginning to suspect that the body that we have here is the illusion.
** whoa… boy…
R: Well take a look at your Lords Prayer. It says in there on heaven as it is on earth.
** Aren’t we equating them to both be about the same place now?
R: No! No! See when you’re in a courtroom and the bailiff says, “All rise”. Everybody rises up to heaven. You’re rising up off of the face of the earth. Israel is up in heaven but Israel is the military. Because they are organized here in tens, hundreds, and thousands and there are other indications that Israel is a military organization.
** Well certainly with the way the army corp of engineers controls the municipalities either with their okay or thumbs up or thumbs down…
R: See what they’re doing is they’re, they are just authorizing who uses strategic material you see.
** Speaking of strategic material, I’m in the process of capturing a program off the History channel on area 51. Are you familiar with area 51? Out in Nevada…
R: Oh I guess I’ve heard of it.
** English guy from some publication that deals with aircraft and has everything to do with what’s in the air, but he’s from England and he came over and try to penetrate into area 51 which nobody can get into. In fact they had one of the guys wives that died and he couldn’t even tell the doctors what chemicals he was dealing with so they could figure out how to treat this guy. He wound up dieing and because he had taken an oath of secrecy he couldn’t even tell his family.
R: Some of these people don’t have a sub-conscience man. The sub-conscience of you, that’s the real you. Because that’s the person that is totally innocent. Your sub-conscience mind is totally innocent, it believes everything the conscience mind tells it.
** Well it’s amazing, the brainwashing job they try to give us in the public from religion to public education no matter how high you go… I was talking to B* a couple of weeks ago and I said you know, public education never gave us the answers that everybody else seems to be satisfied with. So we’re where we’re at until we get this thing whipped.
R: Just like this here… one of the guys that works here on the beets use to be sheriff of this county and I was talking to him and he was wondering how I’m going to go after these people that took some of my stuff earlier this year. I told him that I’m going to use the bankruptcy and I started getting into some of that and of course he said, “Well I don’t understand this and I don’t understand that…” So finally I got it down and told him, “Then the only way I can explain it to you then is through public policy. This country went into public policy in 1933.” You know what his answer to me was, see his wife was an attorney, his comment to me was, “Oh,” he said, “public policy doesn’t exist.” He was dead serious as can be. That was the way he was trained and taught in this whole thing is when you’re dealing with public policy it doesn’t exist. So you see from a public stand point and he was a public servant, that’s exactly how they treat it. It does not exist in their world.
** Wow…
R: So you see that’s why we have to bring it federal. The only way we’re going to make it federal is bankruptcy. I can see that now. We’ve tried a lot of other stuff. Don’t work! Even the writ of habeas corpus because the military suspended the habeas in these types of proceedings.
** I would imagine that under the rules of war, which obviously they are at war with us for some reason, the habeas has been suspended.
R: That’s right. Suspended means what? … It’s lifted up off of the face of the earth. You’ve gone to heaven and that’s where the army corp of engineers are operating from.
** I know B* T* was over the other night and he was trying to explain the habeas corpus as one of E* options. And I said, “I don’t think I would go there because it never occurred to me, and as far as I’m concerned it’s just a military dictatorship that we’re under, but habeas corpus has got to be suspended.
R: Yeah it is suspended but you see what we’re doing is we’re going in and saying, “Okay this is my notice of intent to file…. Please make settlement before the reorganization plan is filed.” Because in the reorganization plan I’m going to claim all their personal property. You see if they don’t make settlement then they are subject to discover of their personal property. Why? Because they are in dishonor. They deny the contract. The only contract that the federal courts have jurisdiction over are breach of contracts. See that’s what bankruptcy is.
** And that’s what dishonor brings.
R: Yeah. So you see that’s how come I’m going to list all the creditors. I’m going to confess all of the property, everything! If they want to claim it. I’m going to let the creditors claim the property but I’m going to claim the creditors account as mine. They’re the holders in due course. They’re the holders but I’m the owner. I’m going to instruct the US Trustee to take from those accounts whatever I need for settlement. If they fail then I want discover of all their personal assets and I’m going to put them up for sale to settle the account. I will probably reserve the right to reject any and all bids. Lets just say I get a choice piece of property, I don’t want to manage a property I’d just as soon take the money…. Take the money into the bankruptcy. Pretty soon I can instruct the trustee that all of the creditors are settled and satisfied and I want possession of the property free and clear. I want the marshals to do that.
** How heavy of an instrument is the Marshals Deed? Is that better than title insurance company?
R: Sure! Sure!
** I would imagine that the marshals are a military arm.
R: They’re a corporation. A United States corporation.
** Okay I think you’ve mentioned that before. This had to do with the guy that killed the straw man that found out where the head quarters were, like Delaware or someplace… I don’t recall now and I don’t want to confuse things now…
R: Yeah I don’t remember now.
** Well I know you need to get your sleep. I think we’ve just about covered everything for a while and you’ve got to be really tired…
R: Yeah well I’m laying down so sometimes that’s restful.
** By the way have you heard about all those people getting arrested. I guess they nabbed J*R* a guy out here and they are going to be extraditing him to Ohio. Apparently this all has to do with R L*.
R: I heard something about it and I think where these guys are getting into trouble is using UCC 1 and doing commercial liens and basically you’ve got have a license to issue a commercial lien.
** Okay.
R: Lien holders or lien issuers are creditors.
** I understand there is a doctor down in Florida that used Griswolds UCC filing with the Security Agreement, listing all his assets and the IRS just came in there and took the whole thing by the list. Now H* denies knowing anything about this.
R: I don’t know. I know one of the guys that use to live around here said that Griswald had something to do with the arrests of some of these people in Ohio.
** Well I will say you’ve been around the horn, Buddy and I hope before we have to step off of this planet we’ve got something in the way of a life that these people begin to understand what’s going on in our perspective.
R: Here’s the thing. If you don’t understand they’re going to perish and that’s their decision and I’m not going to interfere with that. I’m just looking out for me and those here who are sympathetic to what the objective is to what we want and we just don’t want those thieves who are stealing our property and we want to be left alone naturally so we can look forward into the future to have some of these things that should be able to give everybody an abundant life. We’ve got the technology now to stop the aging process if we can just get the time and resources now to apply it.
** Well on that subject matter I was introduced to an electronic machine. Have you ever heard of Royol Rife? Rife machine?
R: I think I’ve heard of it but I never know what it involves. I think I’ve heard the expression.
** Well what Rife did… now he goes back into the 30’s. He didn’t pass away until about 71 from the literature I was reading. Anyway he is the one that first developed the microscope that you could see the bugs in the blood or in the urn or whatever it was. Then as he got to looking at all this he begin to find out all the different bugs and parasites or whatever in our body had a different frequency that was detrimental to their health. If you put this different frequency by hanging on to these electrodes it puts out these different frequency and they go through your body and kill these things off. Basically we’re talking about the electronic man and the chemical structure that goes around that. It runs about $1700. bucks so I’m probably not going to run out and get one.
R: Here’s the thing… see if the machine is being produced and marketed by a corporation.
** I’m not sure… chit chat over papers
R: Well it doesn’t really matter if he has a bank account. The bank is incorporated so give him a check if you want one. Call him and ask him if his accountant will do an electronic funds transfer.
** Interesting concept. I never thought about that.
R: You can ask them. The bank is actually going to be bound to it, but the problem is that he’s going to have to instruct his people here to make sure the bank delivers on him. Because they’re stealing the exemption if they don’t give it to them.
** Yeah I understand that. Another thing that came up. I don’t know if this came from you or if E* just did something right or what… One of the things she did was paid her property off with a draft and those came back to her telling her that her draft was not US currency issued item. Anyway she accepted them for value and sent them back and that’s what cleared the property, from both sides of the account. First time it went in it was one side, when they sent them back and she accepted them for value and returned them she felt that cleared the other side of the account. Because that’s when the property was cleared and she got free and clear title. Does that sound reasonable?
R: Sure! But now when they are coming again… Okay that’s a new claim. They are trying to manufacture a new claim to off set to come in to the property again.
** I wondered why it was even necessary to respond to there action….
R: Okay now she goes after the judge and asks the judge for the finding of facts and the conclusion of law. And if he doesn’t do it then she gives him notice of her intent to file a chapter 11 reorganization in bankruptcy and she is eligible to discover his personal assets.
** We’re talking about the judge not the attorneys for the corporation?
R: All of them.
** The whole kit and kaboodle…
R: Hell yes. Give them each individual notice that you want remedy and not only that and put the statement that she is NOT IN DISPUTE OF ANY OF THE FACT. She needs the finding of fact and conclusion of law to enable her to plead to the charges. She must know what she is pleading to.
** Well I don’t think they brought this in any way criminal.
R: Don’t try to separate that! Don’t get into that now. It is a charge they are making now, whether it’s criminal or whether they are practicing law without a license to obtain an assessment. It’s still all commercial!
** Okay! Okay! Keep it in that realm and don’t go anywhere else with it. She’ll be glad to hear this conversation I positive about that.
R: Because it is a felony for an attorney to charge a claim without an assessment. You see he’s trying to get an assessment and he’s trying to assume it in the proceeding from prior proceedings. Okay.. And gets the judge to go along with it but you see the judge can be quiet. You’re going to ask for a finding of facts and conclusion of law from the judge. If the judge doesn’t come up with it, then the notice of bankruptcy to him is to let him know that in the absence of the finding of facts and the conclusion of law he is now eligible for discovery of his personal assets in bankruptcy.
** If she was to take the judge into that bankruptcy, should she use his title or just his name?
R: Both!
** Oh! Okay. Because of that’s 3 different accounts … that were spoke of earlier.
R: Official, individual, and ex officio. See then you just have to go into the administrative procedure. But see I don’t think we’re going to have to go beyond the notice of intent to file.
** You think they’ll give closure from that notice?
R: Well, they’re finished if they don’t! The judge is finished!
** Okay well I think she went into the court after the last hearing and asked for the judicial record and they brought out some papers that were copies. I indicated that she needed the signed in blue ink type.
R: What they’re doing is they’re faking it.
** Yeah they’re giving her the administrative record.
R: Yeah. And she wants the judicial record.
** She’ll have to be a little more assertive!
R: What she does if these people fail to provide it, then what she does is tell them, your name is going on the bankruptcy reorganization and you’ll be eligible for discovery for your personal assets.
** I do have one question since I’m not familiar with that stage of the ball game. Does it say judicial record?
R: Yes! As opposed to administrative record… and you know where that judicial record is?… at that chambers
** In the judges vault. Yeah!!
R: The Judge is in the chambers…But you see you want the originals because they try to pass off on you copies aren’t legible to bind the commercial exchange. You need the original instruments.
** Okay and I think I recall when you said when that lady got that back in your neck of the woods that she started writing on it, I imagine it was Acceptance.
R: Oh yeah! They really got upset over that. They were sitting there watching her and she had a friend with her and her friend said when they told her, “you can’t write on these.” And she said, “We’re not!” and just kept writing. (laughter) They didn’t do anything to them but they did try to intimidate them.
** What were they writing on them do you know? Was that an acceptance or exchange?
R: Well that’s what they were doing. They were just writing Accepted for Value and Returned. Signed. They marked them all Certificates of Origin and see that’s what they were. That meant they belonged to her now. But you see now they need to go after them in bankruptcy cause I’m going to tell you something… Part of the reason that you probably don’t grasp this quite right… Is when we make them produce the record and then they don’t produce the finding of fact and conclusion of law. Well we want that clerk to state that its not there. Ask them, “Is it there or is it not?” Because if it’s not there, now you see you’re eligible to go after the judge. He now is subject to surrender to discovery his personal assets. He has an obligation to issue the finding of facts and the conclusion of law for every order that he issues.
** If he’s trying to by pass that then he’s trying to practice law without a license.
R: That’s right! Not only that he’s charging a claim with out an assessment and that’s a felony.